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Thread: ostheer CAS overperforming.8 Mar 2015, 12:04 PM Well, i guess this doctrine isint too OP. STUG E is more ridiciluos. CAS is okay. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ostheer CAS overperforming.7 Mar 2015, 18:08 PM Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2015, 18:05 PM☭ Калашникова ☭ I use CAS a lot so let me break it down: CAS is primarily used for (at least in my case) to counter Artillery happy allied players. The JU-87 and its 37mm AT strafe is one pass and a skillshot and has a very long cooldown (I believe its 80s) This being the case unless your tank is right on the edge of the map you normally wont have trouble dodging it if your micro is at least decent. In team setups however, It is essential to have to prevent B-4 spamming cheese. The AI strafe is IMO the strongest part of the doctrine as it lets you spam LMG's and win every engagement vs US rifle spam. While this is a cheesy solution It is currently one of the only effective ones as boxes are now not worth the doctrine choice if you discount the OKW fuel boosting. (Also a cheese strat) This is the only Wehrmacht doctrine that gets a AI strafe other than Assault support and that is also now a joke due to the nerfs to the Opal truck and tiger just not being the tank is used to be. Fuel to muni transfer is the same as its always been, You are cutting tanks on a faction with already high fuel costs. And finally the effective stuka dive bomb. At the end of the day When playing on a team you must have it equipped for B4's or Arty spam. Shock rifle frontline counters this very well, As well as good kat truck play. ISU-152 if cared for properly will absolutely shit on this as he wont have many tanks if any. If you must infantry blob vs this, the AI strafe can be dodged so its not a auto win 1 click like the Opal one is. For USF Scotts work great, As well as bulldozer Shermans. HE Shermans can work too. And demo's are generally very effective vs this type of play. FHQ and B-4 in team games are very unfun to play against as well when you don't have proper counters at your disposal. Especially against a coordinated team. The fact that B-4 Has the potential to 1 shot a JT,KT,TA is broken since it has precision strike and is smokeless. Wish LeFH was even close to being as good since it costs the same its kinda a joke. This is also correct the 110 MU 37mm strafe will 1 shot Fixed guns 95% of the time (It can fail due to it being on a weird hill incline or behind trees or a building) Like i said, i mostly play 1v1s and the main issue i have is the horrid LMG gren spam that you cannot prevent no matter how much early game control you get. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ostheer CAS overperforming.7 Mar 2015, 16:40 PM Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2015, 16:38 PMbraciszek When you see CAS in Ostheer's loadout, hold out on picking a commander until you are sure he has CAS, and pick either Guards motor coordination or shock rifle. Both deal with CAS really well in terms of ignoring strafes/strikes and blowing up the infantry Ostheer spends munitions on. Its the only alternative commander other than a commander with a tiger/elefant. My main issue is not really the skill planes. But rather the ability to spam out LMG grens and flame pios like mad. I know that a quick t-34 or t-70 should counter this, but really it doesn't againts good players.... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: ostheer CAS overperforming.7 Mar 2015, 16:32 PM So this has been bothering me for quite a while. I do know the rather shitty state of USF vs Ostheer at the moment, but that's another story of its own. What i want to say, is that this commander is too good. Mainly two things. The anti tank strafe and the fuel transfer. Now first lets talk about the anti tank strafe. It comes at a cost of 200, cheaper than the p-47. Yet it is much stronger than it. Infact it can almost oneshot every single USF vehicle. Not to mention that while incredibly effective againts tanks, it's also much more effective againts againts infantry than the IL-2 sturmovik run. In my opinion it needs to not target infantry, like the p-47, and the cost needs to be upped to 240 munitions, at the minimum, right now it's just ridiciluos. The one time strafe of CAS needs to have it's damage reduced or something... Or cost needs to be upped. Jesus, even stug E into tigers is not as strong as this... The second thing is the fuel transfer. 50 fuel for 150 is really good. It is incredibly effective in 1v1s since even if you lose alot of map control, you can still get loads of LMG grens and mines down. Coupled with the strenght of PaKs, this makes this commander too strong in my opinion. However, while it is very strong in 1v1, it is downright gamebreaking in 2v2+. It completely shuts down any kind of allied artillery like B4 and ML-20, the constant spam of skill planes makes the map completely unplayable. This needs a nerf. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: WEHRMACHT=RUBBISH7 Mar 2015, 14:51 PM Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2015, 11:42 AMCardboard Tank Updated it with a link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNXiK8_mRoo#t=12m0s You are assuming it didn´t have to be leveled down, because it´s not mentioned in the instruction. One could also assume it´s not mentioned there, because it´s obvious. The tank manual probably doesn´t mention opening the hatches to enter the tank either. Doesn´t mean one doesn´t need to open the hatches. If faced with the problem of not being able to fit the shell and propellant into the gun, a normal human will level it down. No need to write it down. I think Germans who revolve their tactic around the gun being leveled down to survive and reporting from that, is a more reliable source than assumptions based on a manual. Just to be sure. Conclusions on the possibility of using a single piece 122 mm shell in the D-25 gun on IS-122 and ISU-122S guns. Based on instructions from GBTU, the NIBT proving grounds tested the feasibility of using a one piece 122 mm shell for the D-25 and D-25S guns on the IS tank and ISU-122S SPG, and came to the following conclusions: Loading the gun: In the ISU-122S SPG, the gun can be loaded at any angle. In the IS-122 tank, the gun can be loaded at the following angles: Horizontal: 360 degrees Vertical: -3 to +10 degrees It is impossible to load the gun when it is elevated more than 10 degrees due to insufficient space between the gun breech and turret ring. The loading of the D-25 gun with a single piece shell is inconvenient and difficult due to a large size of the shell (1210-1400 mm long), heavy mass (about 40 kg) and limited movement space for the loader. Loading in the SPG is easier than loading in the tank. The ammunition capacity on the tank is reduced to approximately 27 shells compared to the current 28. In the SPG, the ammunition capacity is increased to 34 shells compared to the current 30. If the soviets could load the IS-2 with a one piece shell at these angles, they definately could load a 2 piece shell at any angle. In: Scrap Yard
Thread: WEHRMACHT=RUBBISH7 Mar 2015, 12:23 PM Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2015, 11:54 AMAffe Here are the total tank losses of the soviets per type: Soviet tank losses per type: - 1.235 IS-2 - 3.755 KV-tanks - 41.971 T-34 - 370 T-28 - 7.124 BT - 9.097 T-26 - 10.881 T-60/70 - 2.675 amphibian. - 176 Mk-4 - 1.804 M-4A2 - 696 M3 Stuart - 783 MK-1/2/3/5/7 - 2.301 Mk-9/-11 - 691 M3 Lee - 1.671 others Total soviet tank losses: 83.560 tanks Soviet assault gun losses: - 507 SU-122 - 409 SU-152 - 672 ISU-122 - 734 ISU-152 - 1853 SU-85 - 381 SU-100 - 196 SU-57 - 6.452 SU-76 - 1.807 foreign SPGs Total soviet spg losses: 13.011 SPGs Total german tank and spg losses(eastern front) = 34000 Total soviet tank and spg losses(eastern front) = 96500 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipment_losses_in_World_War_II In WW2 the soviets lost a total of 1235 IS-2 tanks against the german army. In just about 1 year in Service. So i dont think that the IS-2 was THAT godlike many seem to believe. Soviets accounted for losses differently than germans. I'm not saying IS-2s were "godlike" however some people here seem to belive that the king tiger was the most godlike tank and god forbid allies actually had decent tanks Kappa In: Scrap Yard
Thread: WEHRMACHT=RUBBISH7 Mar 2015, 11:41 AM Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2015, 11:37 AMCardboard Tank That illustration of yours that states projectile: 100mm/L52 APBC, target King Tiger hull and then shows the green part. That side is bugged as it seems. Lt. Wolfgang Kloth of the 2nd Panzer Div. commented that German crews quickly realized that the IS-2 had to first level the gun downward to reload the cannon, then reacquire the target each time to fire. This is a fact and Germans used that to their advantage. It wasn´t about the total kill claim, but the ability of the Tiger II to defeat IS-2s. "During the first engagements in early 1944 the IS-2s showed an unexpectedly high amount of losses, especially against the smaller german 7,5cm guns of StuG and Panzer IV aswell as the similar 7,5cm Pak. In many tests and trials of fire made by the design offices, the cause was found in the unfavorable stepped shape of the frontal armor. this was 60mm thick at an inclination of 18° flat and then stepped up at the drivers hatch to 120mm." The shot would get deflected down at the drivers hatch into the 60mm strong armor. (Only found it on the German wiki, but you can use google translate if you dont believe me. it´s in the first section of the article.) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/IS-2_%28Panzer%29 Read the text below on the image. Green means "no penetration" while red means penetration is likely. Interesting where those germans got their information. Soviet manuals say that the gun can be reloaded just fine in all positions. The D-25 gun has a separate charge, so it is important to ensure complete ramming of the shell. In order to load the gun, do the following: Disable the inertial guard in case a shot has not been fired. Press the breech lever to disengage the breech lock from the loop on the frame. Move the lever back and to the right as far as it will go. Place the shell on the tray, disengage the tray lock, and move the tray to the cradle. Push the shell from the tray onto the guide and use the punch to ram the shell into the breech such that the driving band engages with the barrel rifling. Insert a propellant charge into the chamber. Close the breech and place the safety into the "fire" position." Nothing about angles is mentioned. I think it's better to trust soviet instructions rather than some german "observations" In: Scrap Yard
Thread: WEHRMACHT=RUBBISH7 Mar 2015, 11:36 AM Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2015, 11:33 AMAffe Yep. Here are a few interesting combat examples of the King Tigers and Tigers: http://www.kbismarck.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3722 Dear lord how many times you are going to quote Scheiders book? He himself states that he used nothing but the shwerer panzer abteilung diaries when writing those kills, AND THEY ARE NOT matched with allied records. They aren't real. In: Scrap Yard
Thread: WEHRMACHT=RUBBISH7 Mar 2015, 11:11 AM Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2015, 10:46 AMCardboard Tank That illustration is likely false. The KT hull was never ever penetrated in the war. And there it says that from more than a km away it was penetrated? I call bullshit. People see the IS-2 and think it´s a godlike tank. They however like to ignore the horrendous flaws it had. Errors such as piss-poor accuracy due to the gun having to be leveled to its original position in order to reload. After ever shot the gun had to be leveled and aimed at the target again and again. Errors such as an increased reload time, giving it less than half the rate of fire of normal tanks. Frontal armor flaws on the early version (drivers hatch), which resulted in Panzer IV and StuGs fighting the early version effectively from the front. A gun unsuitable for long range combat. The trajectory was bent due to the weight of the shell. The IS-2 was hopelessly outclassed by the King Tiger, which of course had its own flaws. However in a regular engagements the 88mm was more than sufficient to defeat IS-2s even at 2km. What illustration? I dont see any illustration stating king tiger was penetrated at 1000m... I have absolutely no idea where this myth came from that the gun had to be levelled to 0 degrees to reload. This is completely false. It's accuracy was not "piss poor" and was just as accurate as KWK 43. Kill claims are unreliable. They are not matched with allied records and cant be trusted. How stugs and PIVs were able to defeat 120mm of armor is beyond me.... In: Scrap Yard
Thread: WEHRMACHT=RUBBISH7 Mar 2015, 10:00 AM Jump back to quoted post7 Mar 2015, 09:36 AMdaspoulos I never did like the matchup for tiger and is2, but I also really dislike the is2 having a 6 second reload and a highly innacurate gun with a low damage model. I'd be all for a better is2 with a 240 damage model 9-11 second reload, more accurate gun, and possible frontal armor increase for say a cost of 250 fuel.There is an area that involves keeping historical accuracy to a minimum though. For the is2 to have such a short reload and only cost 230 fuel its going to have to be gimped in some areas. Im unsure about angling and such but the king tiger and is2 were roughly similar in terms of frontal armor. But I have not heard is2s being impenetrable like I've heard the king tiger being impenetrable. (except for certain shots going through the turret). ATleast on the western front that is. Another thing I don't suppose you've heard the account of Karl Korner:http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64873 Is2s were able to be knocked out, the gun on the king tiger was one of the best anti tank guns in the german army. With around 200mm of penetration, considering the angling of the is2 I don't think it had over 200mm of protection. Though I could be wrong. Kill claims are known for being very unreliable and most german ones arent matched with allied records. I know that it was a common thing to do by german officers is to cut the kill claims by 50% to get more accurate results. Although this site can't be trusted 100% it is by far the best thing out there. Keep in mind that IS-2M just means the IS-2 with 120mm of armor, rather than some post war variant. In: Scrap Yard