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Thread: About the B-410 Nov 2014, 22:11 PM I'm using B-4 almost always if enemy don't have doctrine with Stuka. It has pros and cons.ha If I go for B-4 I have no late-game tank. Panther, Tiger, King Tiger etc. almost no counter except poor SU-85. It's hard to get vet on this. It does not "one shot Panther or Tiger". It deals a lot of damages (at vet 3) but it's not one shot, unless vehicle is damaged. It's the only counter against properly micro Jadgtiger. If you just leave tank shooting from one place it's your fault that B-4 hit you. You know there is B-4, so you know you must nor stay in one place. Rotation speed is very, very low. You want to counter B-4? It's doctrinal unit so use other doctrinal stuff. Stuka, Le FH 18, even barrage ability (the one with JT doctrine) if B-4 is at the point. I don't know... Maybe you just want take doctrine in first few seconds, dont carre about enemy's one, and no matter what have counter against everything enemy can get. No, it's not like this. It's like "You don't see any vehicles? So you can find out there will be KT and you can prepare for this" but in this sutiation it should be "You see schocks? Were there others doctrines with shocks? No? So you can prepare for B-4" And on, and on... B-4 is fine. Most of the time it's your fault if you know there is B-4 and it still hit you. ___ Sorry fot the chaos in my post. Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2014, 21:56 PMGneckes I believe the B-4 suffers from the same problem that the ISU-152 and JT suffer from- there's just no real counterplay possible, which makes gameplay stale and rage-inducing. Stuka? Walking Stuka? Flanking? Off map barrages? Jump back to quoted post10 Nov 2014, 21:56 PMGneckes Saying "just always keep your tanks moving!" is typical Katitof, but it's not a practical counterplay. It's like saying "just keep your tanks out of sight!" as a Counter to the JT. Essentially, unless you're fortunate enough to have the right doctrine chosen/in your lineup, you're just going to get pounded by Stalin's Hammer over and over, with very little you can do. There is a difference between B-4 nad JT. JT has superpower. No matter where you will move your tanks, no matter if you will hide behind the house, JT will get You. B-4 - precision strike - it really easy to dodge since you know there is B-4. And if you don;t have in your line up counter for this, it's your fault. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commentary from the Steam Forums8 Nov 2014, 10:03 AM Jump back to quoted post8 Nov 2014, 09:49 AMSierra Flanking is out of the question, unless you're playing against a lower level (noob) opponent, because the speed of German armor in this game is again pathetic and any veteran allied player will easily counter this. Panther is faster than T34/76 and 85, SUs, ISU, IS (but that's obvious), Shermans, and even Jackson. Add blitzkrieg, doctrinal smoke and you have perfect unit to flank. What's more, Axis AT is not designed to flank (except Puma and Panther). USF are designed to flank but it's ridiculous when unit that should flank (Jackson, Wolverine) is slower than Panther. The point is, OKW and OST have everything to flank. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: How to fix ISU-152 and JagdTiger7 Nov 2014, 16:57 PM Jump back to quoted post7 Nov 2014, 16:44 PMvoltardark Ok you did'not destroyed it, but you effectively counter it. You did a good job. But 1 min later it showed up again and what then? Enemy won't fall into the same trap twice so how I'm supposed to destroy it? It can stand between building what makes flanking almost impossible, yet it still can snipe vehicles. This is terrible design. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: How to fix ISU-152 and JagdTiger7 Nov 2014, 16:05 PM Jump back to quoted post7 Nov 2014, 15:51 PMfaus515 about guns at isu and brumbar/ isu have ml-20 gun. whats it mean. in game its mean that soviet ml-20 mortar in isu and isu can fire over open sights. brumbar cant do this I know excatly that ML-20 has the same gun like ISU. I still have problems to understand what You wrote, sorry. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: How to fix ISU-152 and JagdTiger7 Nov 2014, 15:42 PM Jump back to quoted post7 Nov 2014, 15:34 PMvoltardark Just don't touch them, those units don't really matter on the balance. Those beasts bring terror on the battle field and any tone down will remove that feeling. In 4vs4 or 3vs3, they can be killed in many ways, including team work. Hint: First, try to blind them.... Okey, yesterday I had to face Jadgtiger. No chance to flank so I used button, mark target, FAB-50 bombing and 2 ISUs were shooting from a distance. You know what? It still was able to reverse because of bouncing shells from ISU. Such combination of abilitis, units and still not enough. Jump back to quoted post7 Nov 2014, 15:28 PMfaus515 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/152_mm_howitzer-gun_M1937_(ML-20) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brummbär I have no idea what's on your mind. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: How to fix ISU-152 and JagdTiger7 Nov 2014, 15:11 PM There are plenty ways to deal with JT and ISU. The problem is to decide which one is the best one. Jadgtiger: First of all, unquestioned and necessary, Relic has to remove ability to shoot through obstacles. Secondly, Jadgtiger could shoot through eveything but as ability like ISUs one. The question is does this ability should cost munition or should be free but with cooldown? Thirdly, like Katitof said, minimum range. Fourth, 40 range, when set up, 85. ISU: Firstly lower AoE. Make it more like Brummbar. Still chance to wipe squad but not with every 3 shots. Secondly, make it only AI unit - but this change would force to change somehting with stock units and their AT power. Thirdly, make it only AT unit but since it was designed as an assault gun it would be stupid. Fourth, 40 range, when set up 70. Fifthly, 40 range, when set up, 150 but it would shoot like artillery. Something similar to KV-2 First changes are must-be. The rest you can mix like you want. There are many others but I thnik everyone can figure out few more ways to deal with them. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Heavies vs mediums - unfair and stagnating the meta7 Nov 2014, 09:14 AM Medium vs Heavies? Just check this from 1:45 to 2:08. How many shots? 8? I think so and all of them bounced. Just wait 1min and KT will be back with full health. Relic's assumption that 3 Shermans are equal to 1 Tiger is good on paper but wrong in game. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: OKW Repair Speed7 Nov 2014, 09:01 AM Many times I hit JT with 3vet B4 and it was like, OK, now I/we can push a little with KV1/Shermans. Pushed 1 point and JT showed up with ful health o.O It took 1 min to reapir from almost 0 to full. Ostheer needs some buff. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Company of Call-Ins 2 - An Argument for Change6 Nov 2014, 09:23 AM Jump back to quoted post6 Nov 2014, 09:12 AMFanatic An other idea: Maybe even just heavy one per game. It would be mroe important to keep it alive and you you don´t save your ressources for a new heay this way. You can spend it for other units. I also like the idea to reduce the ressource income for some time if you decide to go for such a heavy. Good idea but in perfect game. In CoH2 where there are pathfinding problems and stuff like that it would be too punishing to have only 1 heavy tank which you lost due to gameplay issues. I like the idea to move heavies even to 20 CP. Not much to work, force to use medium tanks, heavies will show up only at the end and this will prevent situation like T1-T2-Call ins because it's too risky. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: My wish for better infantry combat6 Nov 2014, 07:26 AM Jump back to quoted post24 Oct 2014, 00:57 AMsteel Change LMG to original style again? Short-mid range weapon. Obers should be close-mid range (and STG should make them far-range) because they lack bipod, and LMG without bipod is really shitty on far range. Oh, I forgot Obers have arms from steel and don't need bipod In: COH2 Balance