jaigen,Im sure the best soviet players struggled against the old instapin MG42 supported by Panzerfausts that insta killed flanking overpriced M3s,too,with no real option of teching T2 to save yourself from an early P4 or 222 etc.
Im not talking about 2013-early 14, im talking about now. And right now,grens,pios,ANYTHING destroy maxims when flanked thanks to march deployment,riflenades wipe it with one shot,and I never see maxim spam unless its a noob or a tool doing it. Con spam,or T1+T2 is way better Right now in this day in time.
if you call yourself a top axis player and you "struggle" against maxim spam,somethings wrong with where you are ranked,or you're in a 4v4.
It proves everything. A good unbiased player will figure out how to use the unit to maximum effectiveness instead of complaining that its so horribly useless blah blah. Most people cannot position,or dont feel like positioning an MG42 and support it so they complain. Its too hard to use the MG42,not that it doesnt work when it is used right.
The support gun is not useless,Its just the other options are more powerful and have greater OP effect,like blobbing shreks and rushing a panther,no different than gren spam and then blobbing LMGs is easier than microing an MG42.
I dont know who you're maxim spamming and having great success against,probably some rank one million with your stacked AT. I would never try maxim spam against a good player/group of good players even if i was high on drugs and drunk off my ass. It'll get you embarrassed,and likely rekt On-Stream in front of hundreds. youll be pinned in your base like a spamming idiot 5 mins into the game,"unless you play purfuct" lol good luck with that.
What you're saying is maxim spam is good against people that dont use thought and have experience. and yes it is good against OKW if you get unlucky and your flak HT hits a mine and has a destroyed engine in front of a bunch of field guns,or it strangles you so bad you cant get T4. Anything cheesy is good against OKW early on. You can choose how you're gonna cheese them until they get stupidly powerful.
And Proof in the pudding Ostheer fanbois,a top 5 2v2 player across all factions thinks that MULTIPLE MG42s is good enough to incorporate into their build. What more do you need?
Far more involved? That can be said about any MG. I love maxim spammers as ost. Free win. From the beginning of the game,checking sov base splats for T2. you already know whats coming. Such lovely design. Immediately when I see that im going 2-3 grens and a mortar which counters the garden out of maxims AND t2. If im OKW then eh maybe im shaking in my boots a little. maybe.
I will then get flamers on my pios as well for any maxims in buildings, tech up,and im gonna riflenade your maxims from the front. 10-20 min GG. Its even lulzier if CAS/ostruppen muni spam is involved. Now a Con or two for every maxim isnt spamming maxims.
If you dont like being limited to 1 VP 1 fuel keeping all your stuff nearby eachother until you're strong enough to break out, then...dont play ost 1v1 right now. No one is forcing a gun to your head to play ost. You can still get your german krupp steel blonde hair blue eyes ubersoldaten fetish taken care of with OKW.
And no one is stopping you from taking a break until Ostheer is OP,which im fully expecting this next patch thanks to all these tears. from how weak ostheer units are,when its just MECHANICAL ISSUES WITH COH2 ITSELF WHICH CAUSES OSTHEERS PROBLEMS. THEIR UNITS ARE FINE FOR THE MOST PART(222,Pgrens,Werfer and sniper could use a buff thanks to their counterparts being better and overshadowing them) EVERY MG IN THE GAME is getting naded,sniped,smoked and stolen from the front from one infantry squad. Its not FUN FOR ANYONE. Ostheer is far from being the only faction with issues.
but its the way it is,and the best way you can avoid this is support and spot for your shit to alleviate this particular issue,or baseline infantry spam,or QUIT until the games patched(2 WEEKS!!!) I for one am sick of these ridiculous buff ost threads. most of OST IS FINE. The basic game mechanics are not fine,and thats what ost relies on the most.
The games I played I was Oorah'd, Con Spammed, molotov'd whatever...and it net NOTHING in the end because I made 100% sure my MG42s were never alone.. It was just a part of the big picture. and if your grens are just getting murked by rifles all the time,put an MG42 nearby to HELP not getting stomped, How fair would it be if ost could spread out,each 240 MP unit beating 280mp units. and cap the entire map early on. They'd then have the Early,Mid,and late game. Ive played against and consistently LOSE against good ost players that either know how to position their grens or use the MG42.
3rd. Show me video evidence where a supported MG42 just gets walked up on and rekt when the numbers on both sides are even. It just doesnt happen.
Serious questiono you know what reading is? When i mentioned the maxim I said a "LONE unsupported maxim against a larger more expensive force" not overlapping maxim spam,which is obviously powerful,until proper early indirect fire(which ostheer of COURSE doesnt lack since they have the best counter to maxim spam/MG spam in the game) comes along. and lone maxim on its own trying to hold a flank is a flaming POS like every other LONE MG in coh2.
I played a bit of ost today and payed very close attention to how my MG42s performed.
The MG42 only failed me when I didnt support it. When I had a decent force near it to spot and finish off threats,it was good. It suppressed..it didnt murder everything in sight instantly...but it made the engagement easier for me to win. It did its job reasonably well,not flawless,but well.
Some of you seem to want an MG42 that can just lock down a flank or angle all on its own,For 240 mp. Do you axis fanbois understand how ridiculous that is? 240 mp is NOTHING. Especially if grens get a buff along with tech cost reductions(which will certainly happen) Ost will go right from last,or 3rd, to first next patch. They are already damn good once you get out the mid game,IF you get out the mid game, and hold off the first 9cp Call in or early m20/sherman. TigerPak wall with LMG blob is not diverse or unique,but damn strong.
Use the MG42 in conjunction with other units at all times.. By itself its a POS, and will fail you. like EVERY OTHER MG IN THE GAME. NO FACTION HAS A GOOD LONE WOLF MG RIGHT NOW and they SHOULDNT. Not even soviets and the maxim,because a lone maxim against a larger or more expensive force is as dead as any other MG. When I see a lone MG or know theres a lone MG in the FOW as any faction I lick my chops. When I realize I left an MG alone,i curse myself and hope I dont lose it,or hope I get lucky and catch a squad walking into the arc. Like it should be.
When someone makes a large flank attack with more MP and resources invested than you and they succeed in their assault...then...what are you guys expecting to happen?
In that video that MG had no health,1 man, and there wasnt a supporting squad 2 screen lengths away. WTF were you expecting to happen!?? The one Hero of the Reich Defender of the Fatherland MG42 to just mow down the guards Audie Murphy Style?
Im sick of hearing that BS about squads just walking up to MG42s and wiping it 100% of the time. I NEVER DO THAT EVEN WITH SMOKE unless the mg is completely alone,and I should wipe it. Its an unsupported MG.
And blobs walking up and doing that are a different story,as again,every faction struggles with slowing down blobs with just MGs,not just OST. the thread title should be : Coh2-Blobs because THAT is the problem. if someone out flanks and outnumbers you with multiple squads they just out played you.
I Dont understand what you guys(ost fanbois) really want from an MG42 besides something that is totally OP and unfun to deal with.
USF is the only one that has a real problem with this. Soviets have everything they need to take on a forward OKW position. EVERYTHING. Indirect fire,smoke,beefy cheap infantry..
Alright, what about grenades? I like to use Rifle Co on urban environments for the flamers so I don't get them often.
Id get the upgrade after you get your first sherman,or if you struggle with MG/garrisons early on,get them after you tech LT instead of an M20. Then go as you usually would.
if you go Captain get 4 rifles ambulance then grenades.
Grenades are useful for catching an unnattentive player off guard and getting an extra squad wipe when he's not paying attention. Use Grid Hotkeys (Z,X,C) to throw grenades and other abilities with ease when in the middle of multiple engagements
Rank 397 USF Cookiezncreem VS Rank 410 Ostheer Mantis Mantis
Ostheer player has great use of his underrated doctrine that allows him to fire his Paks at max range with spotting scopes(I think.),uses Command Panzer 4,and LefH Howitzer,and Ostwind in combined force.
Most diverse Ostheer player I've personally played against.
I believe its Mechanized Doctrine ,Not mechanized assault
Some nice usage of Attack ground by both sides in this game to fire through hegdes.
Usage of smoke from both sides as well.
Good MG usage on both sides.
If you want to see a somewhat high level OST USF matchup with no callin stalls to Tigers,Easy 8s,or BAR blobs this is it right here.
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o you know what reading is? When i mentioned the maxim I said a "LONE unsupported maxim against a larger more expensive force" not overlapping maxim spam,which is obviously powerful,until proper early indirect fire(which ostheer of COURSE doesnt lack since they have the best counter to maxim spam/MG spam in the game) comes along. and lone maxim on its own trying to hold a flank is a flaming POS like every other LONE MG in coh2.
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