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i played countles of allies games as soviet. i lost 9 out of 10 games always. the problem? first of all: germans are easy mode. they have good anti tank and good anti inf. soviet? they have good anti inf with the shocks BUT ONLY THE SHOCKS, every other inf sucks. and they have really really bad anti tank. you either spam zis3 guns who are easy killed or spam su85 whop are also easy circled and killed. your only option is isu152 because t34/76 and /85 both die very fast and the is2 has much armor but sucks at anti tank. isu152 is your only option. but it also dies quickly because its also easy circled. so allies COMPLETELY rely on their commander call ins. germans get all their good stuff right off the bat. and we have to call it in. thats srsly very unbalanced and unfair. the other thing is, if there is ost+okw in 4v4, you have only a really small win chance. the ost will just build many tanks and anti tank and the okw will just spam good inf. so okw kills your inf (if you dont have shocks or too less shocks) and the ost kills your tanks.
oh and funny thing is: the germans wrote often in such games that we sucked. if i said that allies need VERY MUCH SKILL to win and are not easy the germans always said that allies are easy mode and op.
and yesterday night i wrote into this chat here if someone could give me tips for 4v4 russia. and you know wath? there was this ultra pro 1v1 player who told me that 4v4 requires NO MICRO, NO SKILL and is EASY MODE AS ALLIES.
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these tips from you guys worked wonders! i am currently winning 4/5 games against OKW and Wehrmacht. I am always getting 2 maxims first, then mortar, then one zis gun, then 1 mg 1 mortar and 1 zis gun. later i built wath i do and everytime a troop dies i immediatly build it again to always have 3 mgs 2 mortars and 2 zis guns around. it works wonders. i am always killing them even against the mighty okw infantry.and later i built artillery and destroy the trucks from okw or the whermacht base. i at that point i mostly have around 1000 munition to spam IL 2 bombing strikes. |
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ok. russian= maxim spam, then one two mortars, one at gun and then maybe arty or tanks works very good! but i struggle with the germans when theres no OKW. |
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also the map lazur factory (3vs3) is unbalanced. the northern side has two victory points and a few other important points while the south has nearly nothing except a repair point and one victory point. |
Just spam as hell and blob them.
im a noob but not dumb. one stuka bomb and bye you 5 five squads.... blobbing is never good |
As in build orders, map specific strategies?
Arranged teams or randoms?
The popular Soviet opening strategy right now is simply to spam Maxim guns, this shuts down their infantry and kubels
OKW trucks are high value static targets that usually have to be on the battlefield to be useful.
Mortors and Artillery enter into their element, especially if you can hit their medic truck after they've just retreated there and get good squad wipes
OKW is better at you at everything except onmap artillery and call ins
A perfectly workable strategy is to use that to your advantage and use your other units to protect your artillery and hit him on the counter (preferably after he has walked into a mine field)
Mortors, if annoying enough, will provoke him to get a Walking Stuka, however by the time he gets that you should be close to getting a big gun to which he has no real counter save paratroopers.
Oh, and Soviet mines are awesome, use them a lot.
If you are on a close in map with terrain and room to cover you can try to fight his infantry head to head with PPSHs and Shocks
ISU152 remains pretty damn good on the right places in the right maps
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Vanilla Germans, if you are playing with OKW guys, which you usually will be, then build all the things they cannot and they will be your best friends:
Caches, MGs, Bunkers, PAKs
Pick a doctrine with recon and heavy call in strikes (or take Tigers)
You won't lead the team in damage doing that but you will get the team to win
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trying out these startegies soon! but i hope that there will be more guys coming up with good ideas  |
does anybone have one for russians and normal germans? i mostly play 4v4 and 3v3 but i mostly lose because i suck . i need a strategy as russian and the normal germans because i dont own the other two factions. and does anybody knows how to beat oberkommando west (or germans overall) as russian? last game on hill 331 they eat me like chicken. at the moment where i was coming to the hill with two recruits (it was maybe at minute 2) he already had 2 volksgrenadiers and 1 pioneer squad there. he just wiped my squads out instantly.
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like i did in the ostheer forum i will do it here. i have a few questions:
1. waths the best from them for anti infantry: shock troops, guards, conscripts or penals?
2. waths better: ISU or IS2? and if no one of them is good wath is then a good anti tank choice against panthers?
3.anyone have a good build order for 4vs4 games?
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and wath is with the penetration? wath brings a higher penetration? |
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