I agree to a point here. On this stage of balance, imo, balance is no longer about a given unit. The balance is probably more connected with details in many areas/unit stats/pricing that add up and lead to one faction being slightly better than another. In the case of Soviets imo the problem lies in many tiny bits that add up throught the game. One of those bits is the power of satchels in certain game situations. Satchels add a bit to the overall slightly OP strength of Soviets.
Exactly. But it is 60 not 70. It is a very good price for what they do and double shreck performance shouldn't be expected. Imo a satchel with both the ability to crit damage a fully healthy vehicle engine and deal a lot of damage is a bit too much.
They become adequate anty tank/infantry squad for 300 manpower and 60muni upgrade. They perform still surprisingly well as an anty infantry squad too and are quite durable. Many players still somehow expect them to be a shrecked pzgren equivalent, which is wrong. Coming back to balance - a pretty typical feature of Soviet units - cheaper but equally effective. (There is basically a really visible expectation of many players to make Soviets units as effective as some axis units without adjusting (increasing) the cost of such units).
Yep, they give crit engine - sorry for the mistake (but I keep repeating crit engine in many places in the post, so I hope readers understood the context). Imo on higher levels a vehicle that has a dmg engine is basically a dead vehicle, especially for the axis (generally no crit repairs), so a fully healthy vehicle imo should rather be stunned with the satchel than crid dmged. 3 seconds in this case does not change much.
I'm not doing any newspeak. Ptrs does adequate damge to how much it costs - only 60 munitions. For 60 munitions you get a decent at rifles AND the snare that does both a lot of damage (a shreck volley?) and crit engine damage on a fully healty vehicle. It is too much for only 60 munitions upgrade - simple and no newspeak here.
Yes and no. While it is true that combined arms are powerful for every army, it has nothing to do with the fact that Soviets pay only 60 munitions to buy ptrs with satchel combo and the possibility to crit engine fully healthy tanks.
I don't agree with you that 60 ammo is a fair price for PTRS. I think it is a fair price for PTRS and satchel package. The PTRS a bad - on nearly every unit it's not worth the rifle it replaces even if it would be free. It's the one weapon which you only pick up with units that you don't expect to be doing much fighting anyway, like pioneers or Ostruppen.
In a game where you are meant to keep your infantry alive, it's not worth it to permanently convert your expensive squads into units that only counter vehicles that are present in one short phase of the game. If you want to know what Penals would be like with a nerfed satchel, you don't need the theory-craft, they are already in the game in the UKF roster: Boys AT tommies. Boys AT Tommies are never used and for good reason - their rifles are bad and their snare doesn't make up for it. That is what Penals PTRS upgrade will become without the performance of the satchel.
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