Profile of Vaz

I want to be simple about this, I think it's a simple problem.

It's a fact that it is easier to win as Axis as the player count scales.

I believe this is due to efficiency related to units and player scaling.

In a small game, axis having more efficient units is not much of a problem, because the squad sizes are low and individual player skill ends up being more important than that small efficiency gains, hence 1v1 players do not feel it and excellent play is rewarded.

As the games get larger, the individual matters less. 1 or 2 axis players can be worth 3 or 4 allied players, just on efficiency. This means that if you took 2 average skilled axis players and put them against 3 average skilled allied players, it would be a CLOSE game.

I wish Relic had a decent API that allowed us to pull game data, because then we could easily see this with a little code.


Anyhow, I think the failure is in the pop cap. Maybe some 1v1 players can chime in, but I've never noticed people in 1v1 having pop cap issues. Meaning that Axis pop values should be adjusted to further reflect their greater efficiency. I don't think this would impact 1v1 and 2v2 so much, but it would make a big difference in 3v3 and 4v4, which tend to devolve into brainless tit for tats with high efficiency units.

I see a lot of wild kv8 use in team games. Just wandering into at killzones, still doing heavy damage, but anyone with a brain would know that the kv8 wasn't coming out alive.

It was explained, but not well, due to bad english. Here is my take:

Every squad has a limit for suppression. When the threshold is breached, the squad will enter a suppressed state. Then there is another threshold for pinned. You can say the difference between no suppression applied and limit being 0 - 1. So:

0 = squad is not suppressed and can move and shoot full speed
1 = squad is suppressed and has severely limited movement and shooting capability
2 = squad is pinned and is unable to move and shoot

Every weapon has the capability to apply suppression to its target. Yes, that means if you had enough volks grenadiers firing at some conscripts, you could suppress them if they lived. The problem is the amount of suppression their rifles apply is tiny. Let say .01 (there is a real value, maybe someone can get that for you, I don't have it).

Heavy machine guns have a much higher value, say .4

Every squad has a recovery rate, so for ever game cycle they will remove that amount from their suppression state. Lets say our conscripts are .1

How many game cycles would it take for a heavy machine gun to suppress the squad? It should be 3, .4+.4+.4= 1.2 (threshold of 1 is breached)

If the machine gun stops firing at the squad, the squad will recover in 3 game cycles when it hits .9

You might recall some situations where you were suppressed by a heavy machine gun, got it to stop firing somehow, but because some pioneers were firing on your squad, your squad never stops being suppressed. This is because the pioneers are applying miniscule suppression and they aren't allowing the recovery rate to complete at optimal speed, might take 10x longer(dead by then).


So on to the magic question, why is it that you are getting suppressed behind heavy cover?

The easy answer is: you breached the suppression threshold on your squad.

When you enter heavy cover, the game applies a modifier to your squad, in order to change the amount of suppression being applied from all sources IN THAT DIRECTION. I don't know what the exact number is, but it might be something like .5. Therefore, the HMG will now be applying .2 instead of .4 suppression to your squad. So you can still get suppressed but it takes a hell of a lot more fire to do so.

Also previously stated, if the hmg targets a squad member that is out of cover, the entire squad will get suppressed!

Also, HMG's have an area effect when it comes to suppression. So if the hmg targets a nearby squad, suppression is applied to that squad and a reduced amount is applied to squads in range. This is what allows HMG's to suppress numerous squads. The solutions is to space out your attackers so they don't get caught in the area effect.

If anyone wants to post exact values, please do so

The 1919 is good if your Riflemen are allowed to be static in cover. So you need to find ways to force defensive engagements since you'll generally always win those with 1919's in green cover.

Since they can't fire on the move you'll find if you have to approach the enemy that you'll need overwhelming numbers since you're essentially attacking an entrenched position with 4 riflemen per squad until you stop moving. Once you overwhelm your opponent's position you'll have prime opportunity to either set up for a counter attack or get on the flank of an enemy squad to force them away since a 1919 hitting an out of cover squad at distance will do respectable damage.

While the 1919's downsides of being doctrine locked and less versatile than the Bar do exist, it carries it's own benefits worth considering. You don't have to spend 35 Fuel to tech weapon racks early which you can put into getting your armor out faster (Make sure you unlock your bazooka and tech late racks if you need to kit out your Major/RE's.) The 1919 is cheaper than 2 Bar's at a cost of 70 to 120 and is easier to keep track of since it can be hard to tell which Riflemen you've double Bar'd already if you aren't paying attention. Also since you have a long range weapon compared to shorter/medium range weapons you'll find that with proper use your squads will bleed models less which can be integral in the late game to ensuring manpower advantage.

Is that a yes from you that it's worth the 70mu cost?

So, how would that work vs MG bunkers?

Same as british emplacements, okw truck, fighting position. It would do less total damage than they currently do.