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Thread: M3 + maxim + Sniper spam 2v2 - Early game19 Jun 2014, 23:13 PM

19 Jun 2014, 19:17 PM__deleted__

Sorry, but COH2 is a realistic strategy game because it takes into account all strategy facts: green cover, distances, DPS, armor, experience, supression, and many more. The units' features are not entirely realistic and they can't be. If they where, Tigers will bounce every T34/76 shot while T34s would cost 100 mp and 15 fuel and conscripts nothing . So let it be like it is.

COH2 is as "realistic" as Battlefield on FPS. I would rather say it´s an arcade with tactical elements.

In: COH2 Balance

Thread: Who need mortars when you got grenades like that....19 Jun 2014, 23:09 PM

^I won´t see with bad eyes if maxim gets higher penalties when supressed. I´m also wondering if that statements it´s completely true.

19 Jun 2014, 18:55 PMCannonade

And this is different from MG crew roasting in a Molotov how, exactly?

Infact the RNade trajectory time is so long, that you can just about de-setup the Maxim before it even hits.

I guess you haven´t read the part where i said that even if you get hit by a molotov you can retreat because the MG42 teleports to the crew member vs crew member having to run to man the weapon and die (and die...) even when he is on retreat ?

I still have to see on this patch and the previous one (Praying to the RNG gods) a FULL or almost full health MG42 getting roasted by a single molotov.

You are comparing an ability which has "almost" constant results based on YOUR accuracy with the usage of it vs a CQ area denial ability heavily based on crits (just like all flame weapons). I´ll add that MG42 spread their crew in comparison to maxim which tend to be bunched up.

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Thread: Who need mortars when you got grenades like that....19 Jun 2014, 18:50 PM

19 Jun 2014, 14:54 PMTobis

The same can't be said about the Maxim that can keep firing after being riflenaded

Cause you don´t use RifleNades on the same way you use Molotovs. Molotovs are used to force a reposition while you use a RN to make an opening for another unit or itself to flank the maxim.

19 Jun 2014, 13:59 PMCannonade

How does this even make any sense?

When you issue a retreat order, if the MG42 gunner is killed, it teleports to another crew member. When a soviet support weapon gunner is killed, another crew member has to run into the weapon. Combine that with high DPS, and your chances of wiping, even with a quick retreat are high (if the german know what he is doing).

In: COH2 Balance

Thread: M3 + maxim + Sniper spam 2v2 - Early game19 Jun 2014, 18:38 PM

19 Jun 2014, 14:14 PMMorgolKing

There is NO reliable counter against this unless the Soviet team sucks at micro.

Look at this thread which lists SEVERAL threads attempting to find a solution. Nobody could come up with any strategy that could be replicated without a lucky RNG roll in any of the threads:

http://community.companyofheroes.com/forum/company-of-heroes-2/company-of-heroes-2-general-discussion/53185-2v2-replay-for-balance-purposes

I would say theres plenty counters but it´s rather hard to define what is pure RNG luck/skill. I mean, everything on the game is based on RNG. Just like in other RNG games, you just try to minimize your weakness and increase your chances of winning.

1st mortar shell hitting snipers is lucky. Constant attack ground to cover, barrage, at sniper position. I would say THAT is FORCING your luck.
German sniper? It forces hold fire, which makes double snipers less effective.

The only problem i see is that going double snipers is always a feasible option, despite of game time. With the nerf on artillery, you have an easier time with that.

19 Jun 2014, 18:14 PMJHeartless

True but your not taking into account its no longer one unit in price nor performance. If this is included now you have a unit that costs much much more than the 221/222

And this is the reason people keep losing 222 against 1 M3 + Guards.

In: COH2 Balance

Thread: Worst (Best) Stolen Weapon Squad19 Jun 2014, 18:11 PM

Manning an MG42 with Penals used to be terrifying.

I would say Shocks with Shrecks. Eventhough LMG42 + DPs + PTRS clowncar was pretty funny.

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Thread: Honest opinions about Balance - Soviet adv18 Jun 2014, 22:46 PM

18 Jun 2014, 21:41 PMJaigen

I still the t-34 winning head on from the p4. so the difference is not as great as make it out to be.

@IpKaiFung FriedRise

Thx for the scatter lesson.

66% - 55% - 44% vs 80% - 73% - 66%
ROF Average 6.5 vs Average 5.5

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Thread: Honest opinions about Balance - Soviet adv18 Jun 2014, 19:53 PM

18 Jun 2014, 11:24 AMbogeuh

p4 34/76

armor-front 180 150

armor-rear 90 75

dmg 160 160

reload 5.3-5.7 6.2-6.8

penetration 110 100

i'll regret taking the time looking it up and putting it in a table

you guys don't want an objective discussion, you just want to vent frustration over losing a game.
you're what 10 years old?
I got a spoiler for you: stop blaming everything and everyone else and make the best of what you have

And isnt the Pen difference even bigger at range ?

In: COH2 Balance

Thread: M3 + maxim + Sniper spam 2v2 - Early game18 Jun 2014, 19:42 PM

18 Jun 2014, 13:35 PM__deleted__

... even if it's true, the man asked for help, it was not a balance discution.

In my opinion, any strategy against this combo-abusive tactic has a 50% chance to fail, but maybe you won't get unlucky.
What me and my team mate used in EARLY GAME:

Player nr 1 - A lot of grens and nothing else. If the map allows you, you will achieve some flanking with them, while M3s cannot really close in. If you cannot flank efficiently or the map doesn't allow, add a mortar. You need actively use buildings and micro your grens. If you cannot reach some buildings before he does, always engage maxims with grens from green cover - they will get supressed realy late that way. 2 gren squads in green cover concentrating fire on a maxim will make you smile. If you didn't cap an amo point, don't use amo for rifle nades. You will need it for pzfaust when the time comes.

Player nr 2 - grens, quick T2, quick SC, even 2 SCs - depends on situation. A SC in this combination can realy ruin his day if maxims are on the field because snipers + maxims need to retreat. If they don't they will be eaten eather by SC eather by grenadiers comming from behind.
Unfortunately, it's only about micro here.

Usualy in such situations guards will apear soon enough so don't be to cocky with your SC. Hopefully you managed to upgrade at list one gren squad with lmg and you will do just fine against guards. If you catch out of guard a sniper squad, follow it untill into the base if you can and kill it. A smart sov player will put mines on reteating path, so you need to be careful.

Sometimes, depending on situation, one of us or both are going mortar ht doctrines if we delt with the m3s. They are efficient agains static spam (zis spam, mortar spam, HMG spam).

Good luck.

After this is where you are facing Boss Stage N°2: ISU >

-I will just add that if you are confident, use a sniper. Constant countersniping can bleed and force the player off the map. 1 sniper is not as scary as double ones.

-Turbo mortar is also a friendly micro unit to have around. Specially on certain maps.

-Remember that everytime you force a retreat on a Guard, it´s your time to be offensive on the snipers.

@OP
Tell us their EXACT build order. It´s not the same facing a:
-T1 double sniper - M3 - ???? - Guards
-Con - T1 - M3 - Sniper - Sniper - Guards
-Con - T1 - M3 - (M3 + CE) - Sniper - Guard - (Guard + Sniper)

I generally don´t face early double sniper with M3. It´s either M3 or sniper. Double sniper can show up later nonetheless.
Against double sniper i usually gank up with my partner for either of the enemy sides. Avoid sniper or do a double pincer maneuver.
Against M3 is just a matter of patience till you get T2.

In: COH2 Balance

Thread: Guards or Penals?18 Jun 2014, 19:14 PM

Merge and forget about reinforcement cost.

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Thread: Who need mortars when you got grenades like that....17 Jun 2014, 18:11 PM

17 Jun 2014, 06:16 AM__deleted__

Ok, then is one of these 2:

1. I realy need L2P - in hundreds of german plays I still don't know how to play with germans and how to shoot a rifle grenade, though I used it hundreds of times until now;
2. What you say it's not true, I NEVER shaved 5 models in one shot after last patch, and the average is 2 models not 3.

Then it´s number 1.
As i said before, it´s situational unless you want to force a 1v1 fight on your edge.

Maybe you are constantly playing against people who don´t use cover