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It's bad on every map. It has the same weaknesses, but each map style accentuates some of them.

A linear map like Road to Kharkov means scouting its construction and anticipating its placement will be easier, while indirect fire can be concentrated without inconvenience alone or with a forward HQ/reinforce halftrack to destroy it. A wide map like Moscow Outskirts means it can't keep up support of your forces properly and will be vulnerable to a direct attack if you don't blob around it thus tying your units down. A balanced map merely makes both apply equally rather than accentuating one.

The mortar pit is something you build not because you want to but because you have no other choice. And the advanced emplacement doctrine probably makes people assume it's better than it actually is.

1-Not true. It's AWESOME on small choke point map style. While a mortar pit has vulnerabilities on 1v1, it's not the same on 2v2+

2-If you let a mortar pit set down, it's a pain in the ass if you don't deal with it quickly.

3-On Moscow it may not be ideal to get one early on, but on either bot or top spawn near mid or behind hedge, it can provide enough support for the whole mid fight.

4-Any commander with stand fast also proves annoying to deal with. Cancer commanders makes you unable to deal with them on small maps using indirect fire at all.

All right. Point being though that the increased range of the mortar pit is a necessity and not a bonus, as other mortars can simply move to adjust their range.

Obviously that the range is a necessity since it's immobile. What some people argue is it's "afk" nature or lack of player input when using them.
Reduce autoattack range to 80/100 but give it's barrage a shorter duration and almost no cooldown. I'll say you could give it a secondary barrage with lower damage but a bit higher range as well.

2.It outranges other mortars (only by 9 if you compare barrages)

You are probably looking at stats.coh2 which list the barrage with veterancy applied on them.

Mortar pits AA is set to 115 while normal mortars are on 80. The barrage indeed gets to 106 but only if it's vet3.

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Sigh, and you have never pressured an elefant that far back with just the isu?

Pressure an ELE which has lost it's support and it's been attacked with Zis n medium tanks? Or it's already on low health and needs to be finished off? Sure. But you wrote:

"ISU against ELE was a fair Duel, also ISU rolled Ele with the mark target (who took the shocktroop one sucked)"

Correct me if i'm wrong but i interpret that as ez 1v1 match up between both tanks.

Wut... Like 3 minutes into the game too late?

USF doesn't need a mortar... In T0 no less...

Non flame nades have always been a band aid against garrison.

I'm failing to see the point of the thread, when 95% of the community thinks the current mortar is OP and we need AT LEAST the one which was tested on the beta AND it would be better if it was actually a 60mm mortar (if model can't be used just tweak stats)

First of all, use this State Office and this Replay section prior to opening a rant/rage thread.

Prior to closing this thread i'm gonna take the time to adress each of your topics and add a couple more:

-82mm mortar: all it needs is a slight muni reduction on flare cost (same with sniper flare)
-CONSCRIPTS: if anything is added, i think it goes along the way with changes to OH. For the moment taking the context of the faction they are fine.
-Clown car: it's either OP early cheese or useless. I think either upgrades to let it get some certain utility late game would be good.
-Zis AT gun: rollback muni cost nerf on tracking. For the rest is fine.
-Guards button: It's barely fine. Maybe small cost reduction or keep the cost and add some other temp crit as slowing reload time.
-Maxim: fine
-SU 152: fine
-Molotov: fine
-PTRS gun: fine on Guards. Not sure about the performance of them on Cons.

-M-42:
-KV-1: it needs a different type of vet rather than the same one of T34s. This would apply to other tanks, but it needs something different than secure point.
-Assault Guards: and this would apply to any other Elite unit, give them something instead of trip wire flares. I can't remember if they get Mosins or SVT atm.


If you try to be more constructive presenting your claims with data to back up your claims and not opening a thread with FFS Relic, people might take you a bit more serious.

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