Profile of elchino7

Panther:
-Mark vehicle (35% cause i don't see any remark on changelog and from a quick look at attribs it says 1.35 abilities>soviet>modal_ability>commander_ability>mark_vehicle)
-6pounder AT gun
-2 Guards (button)
-Centaur (not sure how much chip dmg it made if any at all)
-A single indirect fire shell

AT gun: not sure if the first hit was with mark vehicle, but you can see the ability to proc before the tank getting hit. 4 shots were made, a single bounce.

160 * 1.35 = 216 >> 216 * 3 = 648

So the Guards only had to do 152dmg to kill the PV

Guards: first of all, notice how the bot model takes ages to fire either to bug or reload. One of the squads is using button to keep the tank on range of all units.

While they initially approach from behind, the PV moves to be on the side as most of the models with PTRS are mostly on the top.

20dmg/40dmg (27/54 with mark) is the output they can do per shot between either deflection and penetration. It didn't require a single of them to pen to deal that remaining dmg. 27*7 = 189dmg


PIV:
-6pounder
-2 Guards

Guards: since it freezes, the camera angle and movement is hard to see but i guess between 9/11 shots. Pen is 85/100 at that range and PIV armor is 180/90. Hitting from side makes more likely for rear shots.
At 10 shots, it needed 6 shots to pen and 4 to bounce. If more than 10 shots were fired, you needed less shots to pen.

At the end of the day, that tank died, because the user forgot to use smoke canisters. As the 2nd tank procs it and escapes easily after been buttoned as well.

I'll repeat myself, cause it seems this discussion is going around in a useless loop.

1- Why not make the spotter rifle transferable instead of the sniper one. Now you don't have to be afraid of trying to countersnipe as OH.

2- 2 models are 64HP are unkillable!!1!1. Increase received accuracy. Counters have also been buffed (in the case of 222, isn't it a 100% increase from 0.75 to 1.5?)

3- Improve incendiary shot 64dmg AoE. Lethal and reliable to kill sniper squad, non lethal but damaging to other units.

4- Make flares reveal cloaked units.

Now you can keep the SU sniper SQUAD, with crappy cloak, 2 models and average RoF.

The problem is that the two issues are almost always combined. Most top players will correctly identify the problem, this isn't a bad thing it's very important.

However the problem comes in when say a demo trap demolishes a vet 5 squad. In a casual game this is important but not game changing, not to mention it's incredibly fun to do. In a top tier tournament this can be brutal and cost entire games. I wouldn't consider the demo trap overpowered as it required micro or a massive investment of munitions if you put a mine on top of it and it led to some very intelligent traps.

>Balance Patch: Demo traps too strong, nerfed. All of a sudden a key tool for punishing blobs and carelessness is made useless.

Not all top tier players push against asymmetry but a fair amount do. A fair amount pushed to remove the abandon mechanics as too much RNG a few years back. I'm not saying balance the game for the newer players. But some of them have very red v blu opinions and it appears they are increasingly having the ear of Relic...

You are confused in some facts.

1- Demo + explosives was a bug, on which damage was multiplied instead of added. Demo + mine against infantry was a stupid overkill. Demos on their own were more than not, single unit squad wipers.
IMO, demos should had retain lethality and useage, but made them more visible if not used in buildings or cover. You wouldn't need a minesweeper to see the model if it was in plain sight.

2- Abandon mechanics with functional vehicles makes no sense, if the crew can't be saved like with USF. Abandon mechanic with engine criticals are fine although some refinements could always had been done (Overkill should never allow for abandon AKA heavy offmap artillery not completely wiping artillery vehicles).

And while I understand some of the complaints towards homogenizing the factions, I personally don't think this is the end of the world. But really, the entire history of CoH2 is a story of rolling back additions that were poorly implemented or poorly 'fixed'.

+1



-People playing offmeta vs meta (always)
-Relic releasing new factions and commanders (1st pic)
-CoH2 meta before community patches. (2nd pic)
-CoH2 meta after community patches. (3rd pic)

Just want to point out few stats, since coh2 stats is down for some reason.

Ost sniper
Cooldown: 3
Reload: 4 - 4.5
Frequensy: 9
Ready aim: 1

Soviet sniper with new stats:
Cooldown: 3.5 - 4
Reload: 4 - 4.5
Frequensy: 9
Ready aim: 1.5

So compaining that soviet sniper IS SO MUCH WEAKER is kinda strange tbh. Took them from attrib edditor. Point me if I used wrong stats, but it seems like I used correct ones.

1- Cooldown , reload and frequency is fine.
2- Ready aim time is bad, cause you need to multiply it by it's aim_time range. You are also missing, fire_aim time.
OH sniper also get's ready aim of 1.5 (all snipers get it)
3- Also missing wind up/wind down.

So Ost Sniper:
Ready aim: 1.5 > 2.625
Fire aim: 1.5 > 2.625
Aim_time_multiplier: 1.75
Wind up/Wind down: 0/1.625

Sov Sniper:
Ready aim: 1.5 > 2.625
Fire aim: 1.5 > 2.625
Aim_time_multiplier: 1.75
Wind up/Wind down: 0/1.6

No the best would be automatic reread once out if combat for 20s

IB4: what about pushing an MG, waiting for X amount of time it takes for automatic reload and then push again ?