Profile of Cruzz

So 2xMGs+Gren vs M3 Flamer is OP in your mind?

Do the math. At cost, that is working entirely as intended.

I think his point was that either 2xMG, or 1xMG 1xGren effectively stops a single clown car flamer from killing more stuff than they themselves are worth. Flamers and scout cars are far less useful the longer the game goes on so an investment in them that doesn't pay off early on is a bad one.

I agree pretty much 100% with the op. You're kinda remembering stickies wrong though, they had much the same failure rate as the new one in CoH2...it just applied to less vehicles iirc, pretty much just panthers and stuff heavier than them.

Things I'd like to see (outside of pure balance changes, of which there would be ton more of):

Removal of many crit effects. Instant building collapse and instant death on flame should both be gotten rid of, damage against buildings for weapons increased significantly and flame damage balanced so the kill rate was in the same range as without the instant deaths.

Improved unit cohesion. It's ridiculous as the soviets, some guy is always lagging behind and then gets suppressed by an MG42. One member of the squad getting fired on shouldn't do shit suppression wise, but if that can't be coded then stragglers should just move at lightning speeds to join up with the squad. Oh and for gods sake make weapon teams fire even if only the two guys pushing the damn thing are actually there. It seems like atgun crews for soviets just love humping behind some corner and the gunner and loader just can't focus enough on the job to actually fire during this.

Improve vehicle pathfinding. DO NOT TRY TO TURN EVERY TIME I GIVE AN ORDER BEHIND YOU. Actually, never turn when I give an order behind you. Make the default pathfinding for the rear 180 move orders for vehicles to be the current reverse button, and make the reverse button a "turn and move" button. This will save roughly a million clicks per day on the automatcher. Also stop pathfinding on ice as if it was road, ice should be avoided like infantry avoids deep snow: only go on it when it is a lot shorter than other routes.

Make units actually respond to retreat orders, much faster. Sometimes units are stuck for several seconds digging their asses before they'll actually start moving.

Stop making blizzards chain, there should be a far longer enforced clear period between them. And make freezing units capping a point go to the freaking flame inside that point by themselves if they were given an order to just cap (ie they were ordered to the flag) rather than ordered to go to some specific spot.

@Cruzz, a flanking T-34 can now chew up a P-IV, which is basically the level of buff they needed. They can also mince an Ostwind head on, which is probably a good change. They're also even cheaper in terms of fuel.

Well, in the stream yesterday it atleast looked like the first t34 was getting a rear armor hit on every single shot, and it still lost. The second also came from the rear (well, more to the side, so probably wasn't hitting rear...), and lost. With the current acceleration and speeds of various tanks, the only thing I think you could claim to often be able to rear damage is a StuG (which nobody will still build), Brummbär (ditto), Tiger (has more armor in the rear than a PIV in the front, good luck with that. And nobody builds them) and Elephant (also never seen in 1vs1, but often enough in team games. Same as Tiger). Panther and PIV, no go, yet they're the ones you'd actually need to counter.

I think the T34 change is a step in the right direction, but I don't think it's a big enough change for it to be a realistic replacement for the su85 in a match that hasn't been dominated by soviets early on. The penetration numbers needed to be at PIV levels even if shot damage and armor was still below the piv. I guess they want to try emphasize flanking by still giving it a bad penetration value, but the thing is, you often have to fight from the front and when you do the SU85 is still the only thing that can perform.

Also for gods sake just make the atguns 240mp already if you're not planning on buffing their performance. Then they just maybe might one day kill something worth more than they are.

Can someone explain the significance of the penetration changes?

AT gren only has a 37% chance to give engine damage on panther and 63% on PIV. Goodbye, AT gren research, you probably won't be missed. Saves fuel for more SU85s.

I guess the faust got a lot higher penetration despite being free because soviets still have button...yet this change just pushes everyone even more towards the guard commanders. Oh well.

I specifically said it roasts paks,mgs,mortars which cannot "retreat". They very often get roasted before they can pack up or be pulled away.

And I didn't mean retreat as in "immediately hit retreat button when the thing drops" but rather as "if you move out of the flame area before the duration is up it doesn't do enough damage to kill anything (again not counting the crits, which will probably happen to one or two men if you had several squads in the area)".

Incendiary artillery does have one hilarious feature for team games. Because of the large uniform damage area and extremely fast drop, if you coordinate 2 (or more) players to fire it at once into the exact same spot it'll actually tend to fry most infantry in the area.

And also, you agree that the incendiary does force a retreat of even regular infantry often, thus confirming my point that it is indeed a good area denial tool.

Most similarly priced abilities would have far harsher consequences if you stayed in the area after the warning lights, which is why I consider it a bad offmap. It's low risk as in it'll usually do something, but it is also low reward because it will tend not to do much. Actually I can't think of a worse one for 1vs1 except for the propaganda artillery (ironically from the same commander). It's slightly better for team games, but balance for those is even more out of whack than 1vs1 anyway.