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Jump back to quoted post7 Jul 2013, 05:00 AMBirdKiller

They're excellent tank destroyers and deny an area against enemy armor. It's really better to treat Su-85 like the anti-tank gun fielded by troops: keep it supported and flanked by infantry or other lighter armors, put it back in the rear, and don't use it to find armor. I use it more as a reactive weapon than as a proactive one.

How it comes down to is me positioning the Su-85 way behind the lines. Once I see enemy armor rolling into that line, I disable its engine with AT grenades from conscripts, and that's when I push my Su-85 such that it can fire at its max range.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2013, 03:46 AMTychoCelchuuu

Team games are generally looked down upon by a lot of players because they are less about "strategy" and more about "massive unbalanced clusterfucks." So in general, you're not going to see much of an uptake when you talk seriously about something other than a 1v1, because frankly, the game doesn't take those matchups seriously. They were a joke in the original Company of Heroes and they're a joke in this game.

One reason for that is that they lead to the kind of behavior favored by players who are really bad at the fundamentals of CoH, namely, they lead to people who sit back and arty spam in the way you described in your post. Company of Heroes is so not about arty spam that it's not even funny. What makes the game great is the dynamic, back and forth nature of the battles, which are full of cover usage, flanking, careful positioning, and so on. Artillery just consists of clicking near your opponent and hoping they're too stupid or distracted to get out of the way by running forward or hitting the retreat button. It has no chance of winning in a 1v1 because you'll cede most of the map to your opponent by focusing on defensive, immobile units rather than offensive, helpful units, and even in larger games it often works much better on terrible maps full of horrible chokepoints that retard assaults.

This is what The Scheldt was in Company of Heroes: a map that lots of people liked to play because it was just a terrible slog to attack your opponent so it just turned into stupid shell-lobbing contests. Anyone who mentions enjoying The Scheldt, or arty spam, or playing as a "support player" as you put in your original post, outs themselves as someone who might not even understand how to play a 1v1, let alone do very well in it. To a lot of people, someone who sits around lobbing artillery at the opponent really isn't playing Company of Heroes 2 - they're not engaging with the dynamic back and forth of the game, they're just waiting to get lucky with artillery strikes.

It's a boring way to play, it's a way of playing that doesn't require the skillset that makes for good players and interesting matches, and it fails to capture most of what makes Company of Heroes a unique RTS compared to something like Strategic Commander or Wargame Airland Battle, games that incorporate large amounts of artillery more organically into their design in ways that encourage good players, and not just people who want to sit back and play without really playing, to use it.

So, Thrill was pretty much making fun of you. To make this arty thing work you probably have to play at least a 3v3, because even in a 2v2 you'll probably cripple your teammate if you can't cap enough of the map, and 3v3s are just jokes, from a strategy perspective. So coming into a strategy forum and talking about your strategy for a 3v3 is kind of silly. My strategy for 3v3s since the original Company of Heroes has been "do basically anything" because I've never fought a 3v3 against opponents who knew how to play.

Jump back to quoted post12 Jul 2013, 08:33 AMStephennJF

Yeah Guards are great Soviet infantry units.

Using the Guards button ability with Conscripts AT nades and a SU85 tank or Zi3 anti-tank gun to do the majority of damage can quickly kill opponents armour. Try to plan attacks so they will all be able to contribute at the same time. Listening for Ostheer tanks in the fog or war can help you do this.

Just remember that if you move your Guards or the Ostheer player uses smoke on the tank, your Guards button ability will stop and the Ostheer tank will driver away.