Let's face it, the more experienced side of the community is here. Most of the ppl on coh2.org are ppl who have actually played a decent amount of VCoH whereas ppl on steam are likely ppl who aren't even terribly much part of the COH community. IE, ppl who are not where it's at.
And IMO, I do not believe Ostwind is OP or anything. It's role is just exactly like the original VCoH (except worse because it costs quite a lot of fuel compared to the P4, here it's 115-135 or smthing, in VCoH it was 40-80).
Im not saying that it is OP, you need to read the prior posts to understand the context of that post. I believe that the Ostwind is balanced, just like the T70. |
http://community.companyofheroes.com/forums/coh-2-balance-feedback/topics/The-Ostwind-25594
LOL i went on the other forums and this poped up. This is a good thing, its a sign that the game is actually balanced when both sides are complaing that something is OP, but in reality they are the same unit for a roll. |
because Ostwind is not OP, in fact it is quite overprice for what it can do,
and in fact it is an underused unit because Pz4 > Ostwind in current patch in every aspect. If you get Ostwind while you are not sure you are winning, you may easily lose that 115 fuel for nothing
While getting T70 wrecking crap has no freaking risk at all. There is only one reliable counter to T70, that's Pz4, which comes out far late than it
Faust? Screck? Teller? Pak? This shit only works while the Soviet players being careless, stupidly overextend, or just plainly noob. I can just use two T70s fuck up all Pak, screck squad, Gren squad, which is cheaper than a fucking Pz4. More than 20 games I won the game because my T70 fuck up all his Pio, Pak fucked up and stolen, screck squad got shot and crushed to dead before his second shot, no T3, no Pz4, and slowly shoot down his whole base, while there are still countless lol maxim rolling their super MG trolley across the map.
Objective of my T70s:
(1) Fuck up flamer HT
(2) Just ignore everyone, go to his base and lol shoot at his T2
(3) Shoot and roll over everything who would trying to save his base, while using my lol MG take over the map
(4) Free win
I stop doing that because I don't enjoy this easy win.
And I am getting tired to waste time with a casual level player
LOL I have got over 100 kills before with a ostwind in a game. In the right hands the Ostwind is a one tank army, sure it wont go against a su-85, but against a t34 it will last long enough to get away. Im not saying either unit is OP, what im saying is they are balanced. They balance each other out, what is the Russian answer to mass infantry? The awnser to this question is either infantry (not very cost effective against Germans) or we go T70/T34. Think of the T70 as a Ostwind and you will see my point porygon, the T70 is the answer for the German infantry, just like the ostwind is the answer to Russian infantry. They both are effective in there roll, WICH IS A GOOD THING! This is the roll they where meant to be played by relic, and there good at it. The ostwind is just as "OP" as the T70 and this is a good thing. You dont want imbalancess in the factions becouse this just leads to aboring game for both sides, one side cant overcome, while one is not challanged. By having both these units effective in there roll, it builds a challange for both factions 1. keeping it alive/offense and 2. killing it/defense. Your last answer was solid porygon keep up the good work you are coming around! I WILL MAKE YOU A CONVERTER! |
There is a fuckload of counters to Ostwind, WTF?
Soviet can pull a goddamn Zis-3 at the first 3 minutes, one oohwa, one AT nade and one Zis-3, then it is fucked. Even my Grandma can do it
Can you fucking do it with Ostheer?
Learn to state an argument before thinking is it fucking ligit, okay?
If Ostwind is traded with T70, Soviet have zero chance winning a single game
Learn to micro vehicle
Oh ofc, Clown Cars make those guys think they just need to dance around, then people die
LOL your logic cracks me up. Re-Read what I wrote and how I wrote it. Lets take baby steps here because obviously you do not understand words typed on a computer screen. If you understood what I was typing then you would realize that your -what we will call- "Counter argument" is exactly what I wanted you to realize. There are plenty of counters to Ostwind which is why I don't go screaming "OP OP OP, NERF OSTWIND!(becouse its not!)" The same is exactly true for the T70. Your not going to see a T70 before the 7 minute mark EVER, by that time Germans will have T2, possibly T3(if fast teching Which means you have a swiz-army-knife of counters to a "T70" (now replace "T70" with "OStwind", and the counters to that.) There we go, BOOM, You see how meny counters the T70 has? Now that we got the Sesame Street typing out of the way, I hope you have finally came to the conclusion Porygon that your wrong, and that there is plenty of counters to the T70 and not any more OP than the Ostwind. You see porygon, this game doesn't like people who "Insist" on certain play styles, the game actually punishes people that cant adapt and overcome, im afraid to inform you that you don't adapt and overcome you "insist on what should be, not what is." Before you even respond read it twice! |
Choosing the ostwind as your first T3 means you are very confident or have won the early game already. In an even game your ostwind has to beat the t70 (which can it do easily) but then there is the t34 right behind it.
On the t70, remove crushing and make it a bit less accurate. The autorepair is maybe too useful to get rid of fausts hit's but it's also very expensive
Did you read my whole post, What comes right behind the ostwind? panzer 4 maybe? STug maybe? i just played a game and built me a T70, took 6 shots to kill a 3 man mortar team. So the accuracy is not off. Most people are crying for no reason, when its balanced beautifully with the German army. Does the ostwind not kill at the same speed? (the answer is better, for those that don't know.) But I don't scream ****OP OP OP, NERF OSTWIND****, because at that point in the game you should have a proper strategy to deal with Armour, the same needs to be sed for Germans. If you don't have the proper tools (which Germans have more than enough of) by the time a T70 comes out (8-9min mark usually), then you deserve the temporary loss in map control and units(this is called, being outplayed.) The T70 doesn't need to be touched up, your play style and logic does. |
So what your saying is that the T70 is really good in the small and limited window its meant for? You ever get a Ostwind on the field, and your opponent wasn't ready for it? You can literally drive that bad boy in there base and end the game right there It kills infantry effectively doesn't it? What do the Russians have to counter it? Well we got conscript AT grenades, but the ostwind's range is to great and just kite away. WE got guards, GL killing it before it kills you. Ohh we got the AT gun, (but wait a second its clumsy and cant shoot 360,) so thats not a effective counter eather. T70's die to it. Ohh the good old T34, yes that can kill it! But wait out comes a Panzer 4 right behind it and Boom all my Armour is gone again! You guys are thinking way to closed mindiddly, and only from the perspective of a German player. Atleast the germans have a dedicated AT infantry. Its not the T70 that needs a "nerf" its your guys logic and what you constitute as "unbalanced." The T70 is very balanced currently considering that if a Ostwind is on the field and a T70 is on the field (which one would you rather have? Now before the ostwind even gets on the field you guys have Scout cars(with turret), grenadiers, At guns, and Shreks. open your eyes to the "big picture" instead of the narrow one you are currently sighted in on. IF a unit is not effective in the roll it was meant to play (t70,ostwind) what is the point of building it? A ostwind will force a retreat, so should the T70. Have a good Day
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I agree with Porygon on this one. I respectfully think your arguments hold NO substance.
The T70 doesn't one shot infantry. It two shots them. Problem is, it has AOE damage, so even when it misses, its doing damage. That equates to VERY fast killing.
Shreks kill it in 2.5 shots. Your first volley will not outright kill it. However, a good T70 can outshoot you before you can even hit it. Why? Shreks have a range of 35, and need to be stationary. T70 has a range of 45. That difference is almost as much as the range of a panzerfaust. He can kite you to death.
The pak, as I mentioned, is very squishy, and clumsy. Unless the T70 player gets succesfully baited, chances are, he will dance around it. Yeah, sure you might get a shot off. Then the pak dies.
Ostwind and Panzer IV assume you have enough fuel. By the time you get 115 fuel for Ostwind or 120 for Panzer IV, the T70 already caused territory losses and manpower drains on you. Those counters arrive to late.
You mentioned grenadiers and a Tiger, as "once-upon-a-time a player destroyed my T70 with". Tigers. Grenadiers. Seriously? For agrenadier to destroy a T70, you'd need 4 panzerfausts. Thats 100 munitions that usually you shouldn't be able to spend. That or your T70 was badly damaged already. So that doesn't count as remotely viable counter. And Tigers... well, not even going there.
Its not insanely unbalanced, but the T70 is a little too deadly when it arrives, and leaves very little room for mistakes.
So what your saying is that the T70 is really good in the small and limited window its meant for? You ever get a Ostwind on the field, and your opponent wasn't ready for it? You can literally drive that bad boy in there base and end the game right there It kills infantry effectively doesn't it? What do the Russians have to counter it? Well we got conscript AT grenades, but the ostwind's range is to great and just kite away. WE got guards, GL killing it before it kills you. Ohh we got the AT gun, (but wait a second its clumsy and cant shoot 360, so thats not a effective counter eather. T70's die to it. Ohh the good old T34, yes that can kill it! But wait out comes a Panzer 4 right behind it and Boom all my Armour is gone again! You guys are thinking way to closed mindiddly, and only from the perspective of a German player. Atleast the germans have a dedicated AT infantry. Its not the T70 that needs a "nerf" its your guys logic and what you constitute as "unbalanced." The T70 is very balanced currently considering that if a Ostwind is on the field and a T70 is on the field (which one would you rather have? Now before the ostwind even gets on the field you guys have Scout cars(with turret), grenadiers, At guns, and Shreks. open your eyes to the "big picture" instead of the narrow one you are currently sighted in on. IF a unit is not effective in the roll it was meant to play (t70,ostwind) what is the point of building it? A ostwind will force a retreat, so should the T70. Have a good Day |
From what you have type, simply knowing you DOES NOT PLAY enough, or the T70 you wrecked are driven by noobs
I have 200 hours in the game Mr.Hyde(steam ID.) Im lvl 80 currently, and yes i destroy T70's all the time when I decide to play Germans. Stop trying to further your prerogative by refuting my credentials. I am experienced enough to state a honest and experienced opinion. I also build a lot of T70's and have had them completely demolished by anything ranging from grenadiers to tigers. You don't see many Russian players whining about Flame HalftTracks, FlakPanzer, Panzershreks, panzer IV's, or bunkers do you? These units (From your opinion) easily could be considered OP and in need of a "Immediate Nerf." What you dont understand is these units fulfill a roll and they do it effectively (whats the point of building them otherwise?) You sir want to do nothing but discredit, and mask your embarrassment of being owned by the little tank (used by someone better than you.) Have a good day |
You go own the companyofheroes/forums people are bitching, you come onto these forums, people are bitching. The T70 does NOT one shot squads, are you people even serious when you write, or you just stupid? Shreks wreck the T70 in 2 volleys, Panzer IV's wreck the T70, Pak wreck the T70, Flakpanzer wreck the T70, stugs wreck the T70 shit any T3 unit will destroy it. ALSO the turret upgrade on the scout car is VERY effective vs it (try it and see for yourself.) Hell, grenadiers with there grenades will it least slow it down, and a slow T70 is a dead one. I expect a more serious discussion from these forums, and this was just a joke. The T70 is fine, the game is new and people don't know what OP is because people haven't learned the game enough. |
I think the T70 is fine also. Nerfing it would just further solidify the fact that people will just skip T3 and go straight to t4. Also knocking out the engine is pretty much lights out for this little guy, and that's only needed with munitions and the grens you should already have on the field. For the rest of your post, i odnt agree 100% but its a step. |