Profile of Sturmpanther

LUL, i just found something out on this map, what I never saw before on any of my games or streams. Caen as it best xD

https://prnt.sc/kddgwf

There is a reworked version but atm only as sga file and not in steamworkshop.

I did not said that you can't adapt. And it was funny to read your arguments

Btw next time maybe just give advises in the single threads for the maps and help to improve them? Instead of blame/ flame always after it?^^

And I appreciate the repsonses Sturmpanther, I'm sorry if this comes off abrasive. I just hope some thought is put into considering the approaches I laid out and reconsidering voting to improve the ladder map pool. Process is critical to success.

As i said already before. The vote / Poll was never the head of the solution what should get removed.
I never said that Relic or me removed just because of a Poll.
It is just a extra feature. You really lost your mind in these poll i have the feeling.

But attacking me about that I have no idea about map is just sad, sorry.

The definition of success must have changed since i last checked ...

Since the community started contributing to patches, the game has become tedious and obnoxious in so many respects. Every faction now is almost the same. This is because the balance contributors from the community couldn't actually do any better than relic (worse imo) so they just made every unit viable so as to hush any outcry from people opposed to the decisions taken. So now we have double mgs for everyone in every game, snipers every game, double scott bs, double scout car cheese, double 120 morters that cannot be killed, double morter half track,flamer ht every game, guards every game, bar blobs and tommy spam. I just quit a game where my opponent built 3 maxims and 2 morters, and probably would have spammed guards. I don't care if I could have won or lost, I just loath that style of play and it is everywhere now. It is so rare now to get a interesting game because so many people just cheese it out as hard as they can. Don't kid yourself if you think the game has improved because in reality what has been done is to make every cancer strat viable. What should have been done was to refine strats.

If you try responding with numbers then I would argue to look at community member cards and see how many people have not played recently or only dabble with 1 faction. If recent patches were a success then players would flood back to the game which is sadly not the case. The numbers are purely new blood and team players.

Fiddle with the maps all you want but while ever there are still lag issues and pathing issues and map hackers and boring ass monotonous gameplay, your just fooling yourself if you think it makes any difference.

/End rant.

Ps. Whiteflash is right, but sadly it doesn't really matter...

You and the community can talk about patches if it is going worse or better with them. But in another thread. You are talking about Unitpatches.
I talk atm right now about Mappatches, since all this here is focused on maps...
And meta will be always there. You have this in Overwatch and LoL, Dota etc.
And when I am not wrong, alot of people came back with the DBP patch.
But w/e wrong thread here^^

About 2 versions of the same map (summer + winter) : I always wondered if it would be a good idea to put both versions into 1 map on the mappool. So whenever you get that map in automatch, there is a 50/50 RNG roll that you either get the summer or the winter version (in case that is even possible without having to change the code of the game files.)

But vetoing both versions would consume only 1 veto then

Will not happend from coding.

Data is great. It tells you some very cool things.

DEVILS ADVOCATE
It does not tell you who is vetoing the maps. There is a large range of player skill involved in the data. And there are players, like myself, who tend to not veto any maps until they have played them enough to find something they don't like about them. And that something may have nothing to do with balance. Balanced or not, sometimes a map is just not fun to play on.

Only the top 200 players (level 16) can truly speak to balance as they have played and strategized enough against players of their own caliber to get valid results. But even these players may not know why the map works. They just know how to get around its flaws in a way that fits their play style.

I think the poll represents these things:
- What Relic thinks needs to be removed?
- What the "inner circle" wants removed?
- (The vote) What the community feels when they play these maps?
- No one has offered any reason/desire to improve these maps?

I try to answer / explain you both at the same time. And i will list it, so its easier to see and talk.

1. Relic give almost /no ressoruce to improve coh1 or coh2. This game is old and they focus on new projects. Means the patches are community based.

2. Yes I don't have that hardcore scope as it is for unitpatches. Because DBP was such a success, so Relic gives me alot of freespace. But 1 thing is clear from RELIC: They don't want to remove many maps. Aka to have only like 6 maps in 1vs1. So removing maps is not that easy to bargain from relic as you guys maybe think. Same counts for adding new maps into automatch. Don't forget; Its THEIR GAME.

3. It is super fucking time gorging. Most people have 0 idea how much time it cost. And that for free!

4. The first big improvement happend in the DBP. And i think I can say, it was a super success the mappatch at all; reworking and removing maps. So that should speak for me, that I understand something about maps; Whiteflash. Yes I self never created an own map. I don't have this time. Tho I would say I learnt alot about how maps and WB works and why some maps are bad other good. The next fact is, that I play 1vs1 to 4vs4. So all Gamemode on a high lv (less played in 1vs1 tho. That's why i am very careful in 1vs1 map decision!). So i know the gamestyle on the maps. If not, I could not make all this decisions (from strategy)

5. But thats why I self don't change the maps. I tell / ask mapmakers to make the changes. So i can't fuck up the map Tho I have always to double check their works and like: they cutting a fence, but its to small for britpak. But works for normal inf and other paks. Or they replace a house, but you can't go inside the house. Or they add the HP from the house, but its not working, or they just forget to remove a car; putting some wood things to green cover or bushes, so that units will stay in yellow cover and not green cover; houses with 1 doors, etc. Happend all already. There is alot difference between WB and ingame.

6. Top 10 players from 1vs1, 2vs2: When you work a while in this buisness ( Maps or unit patch) you will see very fast 2 things:
First many of them don't care in start to improve anything. This would cost THEIR TIME LUL. Its always easier to complain, when the unitpatch or mappatch is out.
Second many of them can say you: This map is unfair or the brits vs wehrmacht etc. But they tell you only the obvious thing. Not WHY it is. Its always like: North side is easier / OP, but don't ask me why. Reason: They don't know the stats from the units or the pathing, timing from each points. Best example: Nobody said from top players in 1vs1 ever, that like fuel or vp points are wrong from timing on famyonville.


7. Indeed, when someone had bring good infos and time for a special map, I had consider to let the map in the pool as well. But my time is limited. I personal think this Mappatch will be awesome again. Alot of good changes are in.

8. When I think back before DBP about ingame situation. I always self was complaining about maps and had no idea what maps gets my veto. Because I needed like dobule amount of vetos to get rip of all the bad maps. Right now i acutally have sometimes the case, that I have 1 veto remaining in 3vs3, 4vs4. And in somecase in 2vs2 as well. So i think the system of work kind of work. The map and mappool in the automatch are way better now. When you think back in the past, how it was. I personal would not want to play in 2016-2017 back^^. Pls don't forget that. I always have the feeling for some people: " you give them the small finger, and they just grab for the whole hand"

9. I think the poll for the DBP for removing maps from 1vs1-4vs4 each worked very well. Had around 100 people voting for each modus. I personal always prefer to have more data instead of only 1. And yes there i put almost all maps to vote. This time I did not; REASON: I knew people did not checked the reworked version out from westwall, lost glider, angoville etc. They almost never do. So it would make the poll wrong. It happend already for unitpatch mod: We asked always: Did you played the mod, before you vote, but we all know you just can lie LUL.

10. Stats about how often a map got picked/ played: You asked why I think they are not that strong. I see you really like and prefer Stats, whiteflash.
The game is not only played from top 100 players! So alot of games happens on low elo as well. Don't forget that!
And about Road to khaorkov. The only way I can explain it to me, why it is the second most picked map:
People think: " Hey, I have a 50% chance, that I get south side and almost a freewin on a map. feelsgoodman". North side is really hard to play. So acutally this map should be completed on the bottom on the played maps.
--> Means the stats does not work here very well. Because when you are the second most palyed map from like 20 maps; this map should be super good! Oh wait

11. Since you think poll and asking the community is timewaste, we will not ask them about 2vs2. I just will announce here right now for people, who are interest in maps and read this whole thread: 1 2vs2 map will get removed! Hype.

12. Next problem is Wintermaps. Relic and me prefer to have wintermaps in this game. It looks good and you have skins for your vehicles in winterversion; its a part of this game. Yes I agree to have the complete same map in sommer and winter makes not really sense. And for people who hates the map anyway, it cost them 2 vetos for 1 gamestyle-map
So right now there will be follow Wintermaps:
1vs1: Westwall and Semoskiy Winter
2vs2: Moscow Winter and Semoskiy Winter
3vs3: Resh Winter, Oka river and Lagleize
4vs4: Vielsam and Lagleize

I hope I could bring some light in this here all.