Russians just need to get over the "left-click, right-click - blob attitude" they have. If you charge your infantry into German lines, not using cover, expect to die. Pioneers are bad at long range, Mosins are good at long range, figure it out. Choosing 3 conscript-squads and oorahing into German lines head on won´t do it. Try using some Maxims or Penals along your regular infantry.
Also it´s funny to see VonIvan complain. Some months ago I played 2 games in a row against him and all he did use was the T70 soviet industry rush. Now suddenly everything is unfair.
But its totaly ok to do it with pio and agrens right? |
A lot of this really is L2P. I played 3 games last night - 2 as sov and 1 as ostheer and I won them all by not being bad. The guns and units basically all work exactly as a new person would expect. SMGs tear it up at short range, LMGs tear it up at medium range, and you better be in cover or you're going to die. I feel like a lot of people should play Red Orchestra and get a feel for how that works. Or heck, even vCoH. 
I watched the Cataclaw game with the guards vs pios. Running a 2x ptrs x2 lmg x2 mosin (2 effective guns firing while moving, and bolt action at that) towards a squad of x4 SMGs? What the heck did you expect to happen? The fact that they cost more shouldn't and now doesn't mean it wins if you use it poorly.
Should pioneers have a slight reduction in DPS? Yeah probably. But wow people complaining while playing poorly, especially since nothing has had time to settle in and cool.
This is the ultimate troll post this is nothing like Ro2 or vcoh |
maybe you should. last time i checked the nazis killed far less people than stalin's russia did.
Last time I check Stalin wasn't trying to wipe out half of Europe population in blatant genocide. |
seems logical to me. lesser of two evils?
This isn't a political website this is a gaming site. |
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According to the changes it looks like combat engies are cheaper (thank god) and also pioneers will smoke them at close range. THE 251 FINALLY HAS USEFUL MGS!!!!! |
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I like that they're making coh2 more tactical and less arcady and were listening the the player base, but given relic's track record this is to good to be true they might ruin it with dlc again. But who knows maybe they learned their lesson. |
Im afraid that no tech at all into Heavies will become very apparent now.. Relic isn't that stupid, I'm sure they changed to cp values to mach the game play. I like the changes over all its makes coh2 less arcady and more tactical, but given relics track record the pas few months I will remain skeptical. This is to good to be true. |
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It was actually a viable strategy when used in conjunction with the Guards-motor coordination tactics before the t34/85 cp nerf. I don't know if it still is. I've seen some replays with people using it reasonably well. |
Dat strawman. How about you actually read what people are actually saying, hmmm? A molotov, when it connects successfully, very often killing at minimum one german model instantly, ripping 25% of the dps of that unit, usually forcing a retreat. People feel that it would be better if molotovs did more DOT than crits, turning them into tools of area denial.
I have no idea what your second sentence is even saying since it's worded so poorly. A maxim has six men available to man a piece of equipment that can surpress/pin any other infantry, and one rifle nade hardly ever kills enough men for the mg to no longer be useful.
Holy smokes, a 60 muni upgrade makes a unit way more effective against a fresh unupgraged unit, no shit. Also to significantly drop the dps of a ppsh con squad, you need to kill a minimum of 4 models, but other than that, I don't consider cons to be nearly as big of an issue as others here think they are, since their dps has been nerfed already.
Thats kinda the point of molotoves you know? I mean it suppose to kill people right? Its the only thing conscripts have going for them in the ai department, bedsides PPSh's, but those are doctrinal. The point with maxims is the rifle grenades can kill up to 2-3 members if you are lucky and cause the unit ai to go full retard and sit there for 5 seconds and do nothing, a problem that also plagues the mg42. This allows you to easily out flank it and force it off, if it wasn't already forced off the field. If you are really lucky it will out right destroy the maxim completely(the rifle grenade). Grens are better than cons with or with out the 60 muni upgrade i said that, with out factoring molotoves of course. For some reason allowing conscripts to have some equal footing with German infantry and have the ability to scale alittle better in late game is op. Pgrens destroy then easily especially at vet two. |
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So what I am getting from reading this thread is that the Molotov should be nerfed because people can't micro out of the way. Also are to lazy to move their mg and conscripts can orahh up to a mg42. Grenadiers can just riflenade a maxim and force it off the field. Vanilla grens and lmg/g43 grens will easily beat vanilla cons, but ppsh cons are op because they finally have chance against German infantry and kill then? So, German infantry should always kills Conscripts? This is the most biased thread I ever seen. Why is relic even reading this? It is being primarily posted by people who have admitted to being primarly German players |
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