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Thread: Pumas and Target Weak Point28 Apr 2014, 09:39 AM -A 70 fuel light TANK doesn´t survives neither 2 tank shots, 3 Shreck hits or 2 pak shots. -It´s an AC, not a tank. -Cost is irrelevant. -I think some might agree that it was better to balance around the old slow-high damage IS2. Again, i´m not saying its OP. It´s just weird how viable is to take out heavy tanks with an AC. I think it's better to view it as a baby M10 dressed up as an armored car. It costs as much as an assault gun and more than a light anti-infantry tank, it has the range, penetration, and DPS of a tank destroyer, and comes fairly late CP-wise. Not saying it doesn't or does overperform for cost/timing, because I haven't used it much. The Sherman is indeed powerful but I don't think it's cost effective. It's 380 mp and 135 fuel, which makes it the 2nd most expensive tank in the game, a lot more expensive than a Panzer IV yet is on par with it. In my opinion, the sherman seems like it has strengths and weaknesses, but the strengths synergize with each other well while counteracting the weaknesses. For example, compared to the 'brawler' medium tank, the T-3485, it has less penetration, which in theory should counteract the very high DPS of the gun. However, due to its extreme speed, it can very easily flank and cost-effectively beat much heavier vehicles. It has low HP and the same armor compared to the T3485, which would mean it would be weaker to weapons with high penetration that virtually ignore armor, such as the Pak 40. But at the same time, its speed allows for easy flanking- and makes it very difficult to faust. The top-mounted machine gun, together with high rate of fire on the main gun, means it decimates infantry and the Pak 40 should it catch it for even a second without support. I've had engine-damaged Shermans circlestrafe a Pak after the AT gun missed the first shot as it approached. And despite being a very good flanker and infantry killer, it costs just a smidge less than the T-3485 while, and can beat any german tank below T4 head on. No tech costs means it's spammable, and it doesn't come in a doctrine where all other abilities are bad- because Lend Lease certainly isn't. Again, just my opinion from fighting against it. I haven't used it in many games yet, so I might be wrong still. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Tank Penetration vs Range graph and statistics28 Apr 2014, 07:39 AM Here are a couple more. T-34/85 vs P4, Max range T-34/85 66.6% CTP P4, DPS 17.48, TTK 36.61 seconds P4 62.5% CTP T-34/85, DPS 20, TTK 40 seconds T-34/85 Wins T-34/85 wins despite a lower DPS due to its 160HP advantage. T-34/85 vs P4, Close range T-34/85 89% CTP P4, DPS 23.3, TTK 27.5 seconds P4 75% CTP T-34/85, DPS 24, TTK 33.3 seconds T-34/85 Wins DPS evens up at close range due to increased ramp-up on the T-34's 85mm, thereby increasing disparity. Sherman vs P4, Max range Sherman 66% CTP P4, DPS 24.27, TTK 26.37 seconds P4 62.5% CTP Sherman, DPS 20, TTK 32 seconds Sherman Wins Sherman vs P4, Close range Sherman 77.7% CTP P4, DPS 28.6, TTK 22.37 seconds P4 75% CTP Sherman, DPS 24, TTK 26.67 seconds Sherman Wins The Sherman deals a lot of damage, but can't take much either. T-34/76 vs P4, Max range T-34/76 44.4% CTP P4, DPS 11.02, TTK 58.07 seconds P4 66.6% CTP T-34/76, DPS 21.3, TTK 30.04 seconds P4 Wins T-34/76 vs P4, Close range T-34/76 66.6% CTP P4, DPS 16.5, TTK 38.78 seconds P4 80% CTP T-34/76 , DPS 25.6, TTK 25 seconds P4 Wins Compared to the other 'heavy mediums' the Soviets have, the T-34/76, for its cost, has much better armor. On the other hand, it's gun is terrible, especially at range, firing very slowly and not compensating with penetration. It looks like the trend points towards tanks doing better at different ranges, but so far I haven't come across and two vehicles where difference in performance at range is so drastic that at close one wins and at max range the other one does. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Tank Penetration vs Range graph and statistics27 Apr 2014, 22:04 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Apr 2014, 16:43 PMcoh2player you used excel and cloud to make this? Excel and MSPaint, actually The Panther should be at 240, we are looking into it. Good to hear. Sturmingbeard, is there any chance to put penetration chances (in percentage) for some tanks vs others or at least write formula of it how it's counted? Penetration chance is Penetration/Armor. So at point blank penetration percentage for T-34/85 against a P4 is (160/180)100 = 88% I'll work on a couple common matchups. CTP=Chance to penetrate TTK=Time to kill Note that this assumes damage is constant when it isn't. A tank with 161HP will last a whole reload cycle more than a tank with 160HP when hit with a 160DMG shell. Most tanks have HP in multiples of 160 or 80, though, which simplifies matters. IS2 vs Tiger, Max range.* IS2 63% CTP Tiger, DPS 15.75, TTK 81.3 seconds Tiger 53% CTP IS2, DPS 16.96, TTK 56.6 seconds Tiger wins convincingly, as IS2 takes 1.4 times longer to kill it. IS2 vs Tiger, Close range. IS2 83% CTP Tiger, DPS 20.8, TTK 61.5 seconds Tiger 64% CTP IS2, DPS 20.7, TTK 46.3 seconds Tiger wins slightly less convincingly, as IS2 takes 1.33 times longer to kill it. In both cases the Tiger wins despite lower penetration and lower armor due to lower reload and importantly higher health. If the Tiger had 960HP it would lose at point blank, slightly. I'll figure out T-34/76, Sherman, and T-34/85 against P4 later, that being a very common scenario. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Tank Penetration vs Range graph and statistics27 Apr 2014, 16:39 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Apr 2014, 16:17 PMLichtbringer You could add the Pak43, and in general Paks^^ btw gj. Done! The Zis has the same penetration drop-off as the SU85, with slightly longer reload. The Pak 40 is 10PEN better across all ranges. Pak43 is way up there, and the M42 down at the bottom. Stug G and E versions costs differences are very low, penetration and damage differences are twice bigger The stats here really only matters for anti-tank purposes, and the Stug E minces infantry much better than the already buffed G version. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Tank Penetration vs Range graph and statistics27 Apr 2014, 16:13 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Apr 2014, 16:11 PMIpKaiFung the panther should be 240 at mid, something is up somewhere. That's what I thought as well- maybe the source website isn't accurate? http://coh2-stats.herokuapp.com/ballistic_weapons/panther_75mm_mp The other unit stats for the Panther (such as cost) seem to be up to date though, so I'm not too sure. http://coh2-stats.herokuapp.com/ballistic_weapons Looks like there aren't any weapons with 240 penetration at mid except the Brummbar stun round. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Tank Penetration vs Range graph and statistics27 Apr 2014, 16:08 PM UPDATED- WFA Vehicles OKW vehicles have had fuel costs adjusted by 150% to compensate. Vehicles are arranged in ascending order of fuel cost (except the Dodge, which was mistakenly placed) by type category. Credits to http://www.coh2-stats.com/ and Tensai Oni for the data. The penetration/range graph will be completed at some point in the near future (hopefully). NOT UPDATED The light blue tank names on the left side are the armor values. You might notice that the Elefant, Pak 43 and the ISU aren't present. That's because the range of both and the penetration of the Elefant and Pak 43 distort the rest of the graph, as seen here- NOT UPDATED In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: ISU-15226 Apr 2014, 08:09 AM Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2014, 08:07 AMhallolinski then you take out the AT guns with whatever suits you best from the numerous possibilities (sniper, arty, infantry flank) and after that you take on the isu. I haven't faced the ISU this patch, but from using the ISU myself last patch it's very difficult to take out AT guns with infantry considering each shot is a squad that has to retreat or a squad lost. Panzerwerfers don't do much at max range, and I've killed many panzerwerfers with ground attack when they get closer to barrage. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Grenadiers dropping like flies26 Apr 2014, 06:05 AM Through a combination of carelessness, mine one-shots, demo charges, and badly timed retreats, I managed to lose 6 squads of grenadiers from a total of 9 built. Paks saved my behind from the KV1s/SUs and the StuG E (vet 3!) from the mass conscripts, till the Tiger rolled out and decimated just about everything. In: Replays
Thread: April 24th Patch Notes Discussion 23 Apr 2014, 17:19 PM Calling it now, KV1 spam will be the new meta In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Avatar Gallery Blog Part 2: Behind-the-Scenes23 Apr 2014, 10:13 AM Jump back to quoted post23 Apr 2014, 02:44 AMkorgoth These are awesome! ever thought about making desktop backgrounds? Something like this? 1920 by 1200 in this case. In: News