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Thread: Stats are in... Some obvious factions to address!19 Jan 2018, 22:17 PM

19 Jan 2018, 21:57 PMJae For Jett

I honestly doubt that is even a decent indicator of faction balance. I (or any of the players you took stats from) could severely inflate those numbers (think 20+ streaks) by intentionally queuing during off-hours. Streaks in the top 10 are generally just an indicator of which players are noob-stomping the hardest.

Furthermore, look at the current UKF 1v1 top 10. UKF has a total streak of 99......prodi currently makes up 44/99 of that. A single fluke loss by him, and that value youre using gets lowered to 54 (around 45%). It's similar for most other factions, though not as severe.

Another word that I just thought to add, but if youre going to be doing these kinds of statistics, youre either going to need the randomness and sample sizes to ensure the results are relevant, or enough context to properly interpret and explain them (think tournament/streamed matches where the wins and losses can be analyzed and the players are known). I just don't think that measuring top 10 streaks has either of those.

I think you missed the part where I said barometer ie it's an indicator maybe not perfect and yes could be influenced heavily if someone chose to do so, but I do think it does highlight the Ost regardless as being weaker than the rest.

One question for you (being a top 10 player), when the tournaments go to a rubber match where the faction is chosen by the vp count holder, does axis get picked the majority of times now?

Btw, I didn't post to pick holes in the flaws of the methodology. I wanted to see if this study aligned with the sentiment i am reading that says Ost is not any good and Jackson is OP.

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Thread: Stats are in... Some obvious factions to address!19 Jan 2018, 20:52 PM

19 Jan 2018, 20:43 PMSiphon X.

Care to elaborate what the numbers in the table represent? Like, how did you gather them and what are they?

Ah, and

I totaled the streak count as of today for top 10 players for each faction across 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, and 4v4. I figured the streak numbers is a better indicator of recent games played vs overall stats since I can't discern exactly when those games were played. I know its not precise but I do think it provides a good indicator in absence of having access to the time element of when games were actually played.

1 more thing, the totals weighted is a way of putting 3 allied factions on the same basis as 2 axis factions in computing a win streak ratio.

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Thread: Stats are in... Some obvious factions to address!19 Jan 2018, 20:19 PM

Faction	1v1	2v2	3v3	4v4	Totals	Overall Win Streak Trend
Brit	97	36	56	55	244	21.35%
Amer	99	28	27	57	211	18.46%
Sov	123	61	24	67	275	24.06%
Totals (Weighted)	212.6667	83.33333	71.33333	119.3333	486.6667

Ost	48	40	25	45	158	13.82%
Okw	31	78	83	63	255	22.31%
Totals	79	118	108	108	413
					1143

Allied Win Ratio	2.691983	0.706215	0.660494	1.104938	1.17837

I know a lot of people like react and say axis bias to my observations, but I think using win streak is a good barometer of how the factions are doing among the top 10. Sure you could get crazy into the numbers but with all the talk from the DBP team that the Ost was "more or less" in a good spot. I gotta say the numbers don't back that up. When one of the goals of the DBP was reignite underutilized units, I'd say they had a massive fail by not addressing the Ost Tier 4 in any positive direction towards increasing their game play.

Here are my takeaways from some of the data.

1. OKW and Ost in 1v1 are at a serious disadvantage now having a losing streak disadvantage of 2.7 for every allied win. DBP has effectively killed 1v1 matches. Equal skill, Equal rank favors heavily towards an allied win. Soviets being the most dominant in 1v1.
2. Surprisingly the likely combination of Ost/Okw or Okw/Okw in 2v2, 3v3, and 4v4 tend to fair better. Okw has the higher win streaks in the category offsetting the lackluster Ost. So for all the complaints about the Jackson being OP, in 2v2+ games it doesn't seem to be affecting the win streak stats when up against an axis combo. If you're in a team game with all Ost then you're more than likely to lose.
3. 4v4 games seem to be the most balanced with allied having a +10% win streak. Who woulda thought 4v4 would be the most balanced?

So it seems 1v1 in competitive play is completely broken now. You're more than likely to lose playing axis than allies(of any faction). Ost by virtue of its overall win streak of 13.82% is by far the lowest of the factions. If there is any more gas in the tank to roll out a fix soon, fix 1v1 and buff select Ost units to make them more competitive. There have been a ton of good suggestions in other posts for Ost so I won't suggest here. I know I've heard/seen interviews where balance team errs on decreasing OP units than doing buffs but when its clear all other units are OP to Ost then Ost needs a buff. Just do something and do it quick before Relic goes belly up and 1v1 is left in a broken state.

Thanks.

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