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With AT infantry and AT guns being killed frontally by the Tigers and dedicated tank destroyers bouncing on the Tigers this game is going to be more interesting and balanced. Everyone will have to play sov airborne with IL2 rocket strafe and Snare-34/76. +1 from me.

This is non-sense. If Allied TDs had 210 far pen they would still penetrate Tigers with 70% at max range. A range at which Tigers can't shoot back. 70% penetration against a Tiger at max range is still very respectable.

I wouldn’t mind, but then I’d like the SU85 to get something else good from vet since extra pen is the biggest highlight. You can’t have a vet 3 andn a vet 0 su85 having negligible differences.

I agree about that. Maybe something like the JP4 cloak at vet 3 could be good.

Bullshit, the Jackson literally hunts and kills every tank in the game with its range, pen and mobility. Meanwhile as SU I have the SU76 that can’t pen mediums half the time, the SU85 that has no turret and no mobility, and the T34/76 that can’t pen anything. Do I get the Jackson? No I get told “too bad”.

Jackson should be nerfed, either mobility decrease or HP decrease. USF has AT guns with super pen/rof and bazookas, never mind the plethora of Doctrinal AT help.

Agree with a lot of things but the SU 85 is actually very fast at vet 3. It has even more top speed than the Jackson. It's another very odd thing about Allied TDs but it's true nonetheless.

Jackson vet 0 and vet 3 mobility: 6.5/3
SU 85 Vet0 and vet 3 mobility: 5.7/2.1 and 6.8/2.5

Of course Jackson still has way more mobility because of the turret and acceleration but still the SU85 isn't slow.

But you can't. If it were that simple, it would have been done.

The Jackson is what it is because Relic designed a faction with one nondoctrinal AT vehicle. The Jackson does everything because any vehicle that counters the Jackson counters the entire USF motor pool.

If you want to make the Jackson more geared towards killing heavy vehicles like the SU-85 or Panther, you need to add another TD to the nondoctrinal lineup to handle the anti-medium work.

USF AT-guns are probably the best in the entire game if you have some muni to burn. Not sure if that is a really good argument. You also get snares on all Riflemen.

Then doctrinally you have EZ8, 76 Sherman with HVAP, tripple elite Zooks on Rangers.

No one wants to make Jacksons bad but why do they need to have 300+ penetration is beyond me.

There has been a lot of crying recently about Axis armour being too weak and one thing many people ignore is that there is a pretty big difference between the Allied TDs in terms of penetration.

When you look at the 3 main Allied TDs it would appear that they each have a special character to them.

SU 85 is cost-effective and has good reload but no turret, on top it can self spot at the cost of mobility.

Then you have the Jackson, a super mobile TD that is perfect to chase Axis tanks and get the final shots in to secure a kill. This mobility also means it's easier for the Jackson to get out of difficult situations (like facing Pak40s, Raks or handheld AT).

The third one is the Firefly. Bad mobility and the high price would make you think that the main-gun makes up for it by being an absolute beast. But in reality this, for some reason, isn't the case. I will ignore the reload-speed and damage per shot of the Firefly because opinions about it are divided. I personally prefer short reload 160 DPS over long reload and 200 DPS (or 240 with vet).



What I find really strange however is this:

Jackson has 260/240/220 that goes up to 338/312/286 with vet and 390/364/325 with HVAP

SU 85 has 240/230/220 that goes up to 312/299/286 with vet

Firefly has 260/240/210 that stays the same at all vet levels.



Shouldn't the Firefly have at least equal penetration out of all the Allied 60 range TDs considering price, mobility and long reload?

IMO Jackson, SU 85 and Firefly should all get the same 260/240/210 vet 0 penetration values and lose their penetration buffs with vet. Instead, give them something that suits their role. Jackson could get a speed buff or target size reduction instead of the penetration vet buff and SU 85 could get either target size reduction or something else that isn't related to accuracy, penetration and reload.

This change would make Allied TDs have a better-defined character and Axis armour would get a slightly more relevant when facing them.

And, the now completely ignored HVAP, (it's simply useless when you penetrate easily with normal rounds anyway) would be used again and become relevant.


Edit:

Or as an alternative SU 85, Jackson and SU-85 could start at 240/220/200 and get a vet 2 buff by 20% to 288/264/240.

That way the insane penetration values of SU85 and Jackson would be solved while the FF got some help and stops being so lackluster in comparison.