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Thread: State of OKW in the meta 5 Aug 2020, 12:19 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Aug 2020, 11:45 AMRIZAs flame nade is not a good MG mechanic.. you joking right 1.270 manpower for 4 squad is pretty expensive for something that basically a bootleg grenadier with stronger incover and weaker out of cover... and they dont have snare which is a MASSIVE drawback and IS fighting capability is far from ober 2.volks is the problem not the damned IS fault usually in midgame when both of them already upgraded one with 5 man one with STG.. both of them fight equally without cover... not long until the big bad weapon rack upgrade come 3.you sure? since nearlly all UKF doctrine feel very awkward in 1v1 unlike the other doctrine.. because usually theres one or more useless or bad ability inside it 4.you seriously 1v1ing vicker with your own mg? Kappa vicker supressiom without vet and garrison is really bad and they just really good inside garrison.. uc with flamer have slightly faster timing than 222 and its actually ok.. but the Vicker K is the one that creating havoc "pls learn learn to uses anti mg as british" oh please teach me brother... 5.17 pounder has no drawback? immobile lot of cost and pop cap is not a drawback? ok their late game tank are strong and can fight equally vs their axis counterpart TD is ok not really that strong and the offmap.. i agree with that.. they have the strongest offmap in the game a 20range flamenade needs be thrown into the mg/ building. which means u need to walk up. a good anti MG mechanic out range a MG. this means u arent in trouble to make the mg move. and a well possition MG ...maybe even saved by other MG is not possible to flame nade it. so yeah..flamenade is only good vs MG when the enemy dont focus this combat or is circled by a lot more units than he have at this time. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Time to talk about ml20.5 Aug 2020, 12:03 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Aug 2020, 11:52 AMProtos Angelus Depends on whether you're lucky or not. It's 2 less shells until vet1. 1 less shell on vet1. LeFH is superior. More shells = more chance to hit and the damage itself is negligible. If you're targeting tanks (superior mobility) with arty, you'll have a bad time unless it's super clumped up and colliding. Then arty can work but most of the time, arty targeting tanks is useless as they just leave AOE. Hence the extra dmg for "tanks" is pointless. Also, LeFH straight up wins from vet0 to vet3 vs ML20, mainly because of counterbarrage and better scatter. ML20 is only good vs OKW forward positions and encampments. LeFH can even take out Scotts easily enough with counter barrage. Click and forget ability which works wonders in teamgames, forcing the enemy arty/mortars to reposition away from any supporting infantry. I remember having one scott barraging on Port of Hamburg the middle VP, 2 LeFH counterbarrage took out scott and retreating infantry with random scatter. It is also super oppressive on smaller maps like Winnekendonk where it can easily reach your base. LeFH is probably the best arty in game ATM. Oppressive and versatile. we all have lucky moments with something like arty, right? i got so many KT, elefants, panthers, Jagdtigers, blobbs etc with B4 that i would choose this unit as the best arty out there...most boom for one click. its like a Sturmtiger shell hitting your units ...while the B4 can be spamed and are pretty cheap and has much more range than a sturmtiger...cant be evade...have no big warning...its the perfect cheese unit In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Time to talk about ml20.5 Aug 2020, 11:25 AM how can it be worse than lefh when it makes 200dmg per shell and only one shell less? This is clearly better ...only one shell less is good compensated by 40 extra dmg per shell i think the fact that allies have mobile arty and better sov commander is the reason that ml20 is not seen often...not that they are worse or something In: COH2 Balance
Thread: State of OKW in the meta 5 Aug 2020, 08:55 AM Jump back to quoted post5 Aug 2020, 07:42 AMRIZAs OKW actually have a good early anti mg option which is.. early tech nade and flamer exist in firestorm doctrine brits have downside which is 1.small squad and at pretty high cost 2.IS is really bad without cover and assaulting 3.nearly all commander is niche 4.the lack of anti garrison tool beside pyrotech which is very expensive and their downside is very noticeable 5.their elite is dedicated CQC before getting an upgrade the problem i think is on OKW mainline instead of UKF before the buff and rework UKF feel really bad at 1v1 now they are decent at it and they fight pretty equally for it cost vs grens at all timeframe and mode uhm..what? - flame nade is not a good anti mg mechanic since u need come in range 20 to use it.. its only works when the mg is alone and the brits dont care about flanks 1. small squads? what is on 5min 5models squad small? high cost...yeah..u can get upgrade a IS into obers performanche...sure they arent cheap...but they have sandbags, trenches, gammo bombs, grenades, AOE healing on the move, arty callin...more view range then scouting units...heavy cover bonus...and since the last patch even without bonus. 2. IS arent "really bad" without cover. look to tightrope vids where he made comparison between volks and IS...with 5models upgrade they outgun volks without cover 3. what? they have great commander choices with even better options than most other factions 4. WTF? they have sniper, UC with flamer, grenades, emplacments, own mg with win vs axis mg when in buildings...pls learn to use anti mg options from brits 5. now they get into cheese and to strong position since they have no downside and all great tools from all other factions, like 17pounder, great offmaps, great TD, great medium and great heavy tanks In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Time to talk about ml20.5 Aug 2020, 07:14 AM Jump back to quoted post5 Aug 2020, 06:16 AMSelvy289 I recall the ml20 use to do 240 dmg but was deemed to oppressive towards okw hqs (I know it's in the patch notes somewhere). Use to get 2 extra shells to match the lefh but lost one for reasons. Without looking at stats and using muscle memory, the mls20 has a more lethal aoe thanks to 200 dmg. The lefh counter barrage however does 200 dmg (buffing it's aoe) and a higher fire rate and 2 extra shells. Yes it needs to get to vet 1 but it's easy to see why it would out muscle a ml20 in a duel if it targets it. So I would probably say for 2 reasons you don't see the ml20 too often more so in team games is because the lefh rof, counter barrage ability (click and forget) and it's extra bonus damage. Also because in team games the jagur doctrine meta and stukas. It's just better to pick counters to the lefh or a better commander overall ( besides combined arms army and a lesser extent terror tactics if you plan to go ml20s, dosnt help against stuka bombs through). i say it lay in the facts that mobile arti plattforms and B4 are better options for allies to get this commanders. B4 make more booom and cheese and mobile artys cant be countert easily like ML20 or lefh In: COH2 Balance
Thread: State of OKW in the meta 5 Aug 2020, 06:15 AM OKW lacks a a lot of basic in early game. like - anti MG options: u have no sniper, u have no MG/indirect fire/ flamer/ or squad carriers to flank a MG (at start/ nondoc) - your AI lv Luchs is not good vs other units arriving this time like AEC, t70/ stuart...so you need to invest in more micro and resources to get a puma - OKW lack nice offmaps which are cheap and not easy to dodge like cluster bombs and some airstrikes to kill team weapons - and the biggest issue actually is: there are brits. this faction has no downside like all other factions, has great options in all departments and can easily lockdown any area for some times which gives a huge advantage ..because: time > all In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Time to talk about ml20.5 Aug 2020, 06:03 AM Wait....didnt they make the ML20 a clone in all stats from the lefh? so this both units have the exact same shell dmg and shot the same amount of it? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: SU-85 and SU-763 Aug 2020, 11:30 AM The problem is on axis side..which have no nondoc 60range high penetration unit. - all the have is a stug with only low penetration and only 50 range on a nonturret casemate. - panther which is only 50 range and low accu on the move and high price - jp4 which is low penetration on a nonturret casemate for the same pricetag like jackson, firefly, Su85. axis lack even a lategame spamable AI/gerneralist unit like a comet. u can have p4..which are not this great as lategame unit. you will be hardcountert by anythink with a AT option You can have brummbar...which let u stay in no AT. yes...you can combine brummbar and panther...which need alot more of micro than for example 3 comets which running around the map and are great vs anything, super fast, smoke all8sec, grenades, high armor and good AI SU85 is great vs all armor targets..su76 is great for support and even delete team weapons and blobbs. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rifle grenade=dodge BUT allied grenade=MP bleed3 Aug 2020, 06:37 AM Jump back to quoted post3 Aug 2020, 04:00 AMRifleman89 Just me or anyone else notice allied grenades are much more effective? Tommy nades are super effective since they are pretty cheap and have big boom In: COH2 Balance
Thread: USF Calliope balancing3 Aug 2020, 06:30 AM caliope is a perfekt example how lazy an unit can be implemented: - has great shot-gun mode with fast landing rocket, where you have nearly no time to react - has really good armor where even p4 bounce...dont talk about puma..which is a dive-in-kill-weak-armor-verhicle - can be spamed into popcap - in a commander which come with triple elite bazooka squads which deny every armor dive in In: COH2 Balance