Please, stop the conversation right now! Ami fanclub is really near to have more views and comments than mine fanclub, this must be stopped right now!!
... too soon? |
The trimmings like leaderboards, leagues, and obs mode are all fine and necessary but they're not the root of the problem. The root of the problem is in game design and in the business model. COH1 had very few trimmings, but people played it passionately because it challenged them both strategically and tactically on an even playing field. COH2 has root problems in both areas. The window of viable winning strategies very much depends on DLC commander units, which is not a fair and even playing field. COH2 is stuck in a limbo between the COH1 business model (sell a $60 game up front and then release a few expansions) and the LoL business model (release a free-to-play multiplayer and then make bank off microtransactions and a vibrant esports scene). |
Yeah I'm depressed and bitter. SNF5 had less viewers than SNF4. Most of the times the top COH2 stream on this site has 40 viewers. It's not a good state of things. Even the best streamers only draw around 100-150. We were hoping for numbers in the thousands.
The five of us started spending our hours designing and coding this site before we had any idea that THQ was bankrupt and would be flipping Relic to the highest bidder last December. I'm impressed with what Relic did with the game under those circumstances, but we just don't have the kind of game currently that has a chance to become big in e-Sports, no matter how much we try to help it along the way.
My main beef is that I think the franchise has great eSports potential, but it is not being prioritized or capitalized upon. I believe it was designed toward a market that was known (campaign, ToW DLC, big team-game compstomps), instead of towards an emerging market that may have been more risky (eSports & competitions). I believe the former has a more immediate and short-term earnings potential, while the latter has a much larger long term earnings potential. |
How do you equate calling Relic a shitty little company with bashing on the community? Yoink said it, I reiterated it. I already said I don't feel that way and I apologize to Relic if I offended anybody there. I'm sure you will have fun trolling me and cutting up a video to make it look as bad as you possibly can! GL with that, I hope we all have a laugh. |
The day when our hero died, was the day when this site was dead. The day when Nullist was banned.
I"m grateful for this great site and SNF. But he wasn't the only man who built it up. But when I referred to all of us, I meant the people who also helped built it up but got shat on by ami.
Oh what am I saying, he did majority of the work. But you can't blame people for being mad at him.
WTF are you on about? When did I say a single bad thing about "the community" or any of its contributors? I just watched the thing back, I don't believe I ever did. |
I'm not going anywhere. I still love this site and this community to death. My focus is esports and competition, plain and simple. |
Will I personally? What are you talking about? The laptop will come from SEGA and Alienware. I do everything I can to get the prizes to the players as soon as possible. Gaming and hardware companies are notoriously slow with paying out prizes. Hopefully Relic/Sega will not be! We'll see, it's only been 2 weeks so it's not even an issue yet. After SNF4, Nvidia took forever to send the graphics cards, and last year's $500 from THQ took even longer for obvious reasons (THQ going bankrupt). |
He was in the channel! I dunno if he saw that part but it was intended for him. Try not to make a mountain out of a molehill. Barton and I get along just fine. |
I agree that it's a small pool, and you can count the shoutcasters of COH2 on two hands. Maybe one hand now that TFN has left. Compared to real esports games like LoL, Dota, Starcraft, yes, we're all shit. We don't have the production values, the practice, the pressure, the amount of events to work with, the OBS tools. So yeah, compared to the real e-sports scenes, we're all shit. |
Why? I'm not ashamed of anything and we've been pretty transparent from the start. And I've said all that shit to Barton's face (we troll each other, if you haven't noticed). |