Profile of JizzardOfOz

Funniest thing about this forum or coh2.org in general is that the majority of people who come on here to rant about 3v3s 4v4s are people who have less than 50 posts sometimes on large scale less than 10. Then there are many of the high level gameplay players who play in tourneys and/or competitively in general have 500+ and some with 5000+.

Funny thing about CoH 2 is that the team modes are the most engaging they've been in a relic title. You could kind of see it in DoW 2 but it took them til Coh 2 to nail.

Problem is now they have to balance the game accomodate two legions of fans, the team moders and the 1v1 specialists who have probably played in every 1v1 mode in every relic RTS game since Dawn of War.

I wish them luck, they're close.

4vs4 is no more hardcore or casual then 1vs1 is just a different flavor.

It is definitely more casual. I'm sorry, that's beyond just an opinion, it just is.

1. I would've said this in 2v2 but the higher you go up in team games it just gets more true but the fact you can get carried already puts it beyond 1v1. In 1v1 you are responsible for everything, in 2v2 and up your mistakes can get covered. I have both carried and been carried and acknowledge that I may have done nothing the whole game and still won. There are games where the other guy could've played with an AI and still won.

2. You can do things you wouldn't get away with in 1v1. (e.g. starting with 2x snipers cause your friend went 4 riflemen and 3 rear echelon, doing bloody 3xsoviet medical house while the brit laughs and gets Churchill Croc + AT Gun Line ready)

3. The sheer difference in player knowledge and skill. I rarely fight guys anymore in 1v1 that don't know how to retreat. (Up to about top 800 and thats how it should be) Up into the top 500's of 2v2 I would still run into players that did not know how to retreat, could only do one build order (e.g. 3 grens, 1 MG, 1 Pz4, 1 Tiger and NEVER DEVIATE), didn't know how the game worked. (omg, my AT Snare didn't damage your full health tank!) This point is anecdotal but I'd like to hear if anyone heard of a 2v2+ player who put it more work and demonstrated more knowledge than a dedicated 1v1 player. The amount of times I've seen a 2v2 player however quit because his early cheese didn't work (3+ scout car flamer rush. That was amusing) shows a worrying lack of ability to adapt the higher up the team games you go.

As a final point, yes, in an ideal world all modes would be balanced for play within each other. But Relic has always made competitive games with a focus on balancing the 1v1 so that in a 1v1 everyone has a 50% chance of winning at game outset. It just so happens that the way they make their games makes it very difficult to balance from 1v1 up (where timings and approximate resource level can be predicted) Their balance in team games has gotten much better but could still use some work. However if dedicated team players want to show that their balance issues should take precedence over 1v1 I think a well though out and persuasive argument is needed beyond simply 'It is the popular!' (I could give less of a shit, Call of Duty is popular but if you said you were num 1 in the world I wouldn't care.) or 'It would die!' (I played CoH for around 6-7 years, well into and beyond its death throes and had a blast. I even paid money to be in the beta release) I'd rather play a good game with a dwindling player base than play a dumbed down game with a healthier (relatively speaking...) player base.

1. Suppression back on Kubels as an upgrade (that also disables its capping ability)

2. Non-doc Light Scout Squad for OKW

3. New Axis Faction - Move your asses relic, where are the Allies of the Wehrmacht? Pick an army from the allies of germany that didn't do too badly and run with it.

4. Less Instant Crowd Clear (Pack Howitzer)

5. More Gradual Crowd Control

6. More commanders that give more T0 options to game openings, (e.g. USA Commander with 30. Cal Dodge, Assault Grens, etc) either by changing loadouts of existing units (e.g. Pioneers come with K98K's) or call-ins available from start as alternatives to existing choices.

7. A way to reconnect to games ala Dota 2

8. An official Relic Tournament

9. A swap/scrap-recycle system between players for items, commanders and such like. Just look at Dota 2, you can make a market off it. Skins for Units, not just tanks.

10. More specialized infantry options, (More Thompsons, Trenchguns, G43's, Recoiless Rifle anyone?) more support weapons. (I'd like to see every faction get a heavy mortar)

11. More mechanized play. How OKW are now is great fun, but I think allies should be able to share to, perhaps pick an allied faction and give them a commander that lets them equal OKW mobility in the early game?

12. Bigger, more sprawling maps for 2v2 and 3v3. I want to fight in a sleepy fishing village at night and rocket launch facilities, where are we on that?

13. Free Beer. (Self-explanatory)

just a few thoughts on upcoming OKW changes,

1. Kubel without suppression. - I got nothing against kettenrad reborn. A small unit that can cap and harrass flanks for free at a fast rate and which will require a little micro
to keep alive? Love that stuff. But I don't think everyone who loves using the current Kubel should lose out entirely. I say keep both, use new kubel as the standard platform upon
field entry, but make the old kubel a T0 upgrade for a token fuel/mu cost. This will let players choose and tactical expression is increased. Utility too. And kubel has many counters,
even at T0, so there's plenty allied players can do to play accordingly. #SaveOldKubels

2. ISG without suppression - This change I don't understand but by relation to the existence of Pack Howitzer. I always saw the two as same role, opposite specs, the Pack Howi for sudden
squad wipes when used constantly, barring the odd game or two where it seems to do nothing, and the the LeIG which requires a firm hand but then does the two things OKW need most, minor bleed
at safe range, static position clear and suppression against blobs. It doesn't really wipe like the Pack Howitzer and doesn't do that much damage either (compare LeIG sniping a model once in a while
to Pack howit tendency to either wipe 3/4 of a squad or damage more than 1/2 their health. Removing suppression removes a 1/3 of the LeIG's utility and makes it much less viable as a consistent
build choice. Pack Howitzer isn't really hurt. Especially since OKW is getting revamped with a loss in one of their T0 suppression platforms, why was this necessary and, if so, why not remove the
utiliy from Pack Howtizer as well? I imagine the stats for those things performing at team games is through the roof.

3. Lack of T0 Suppression Platform - Somewhat mitigated by volks buff but still a problem. Easiest would be to put MG34 in building.

4. Lack of Sniper Counter - Give JLI incindiary shot at vet 1 or vet 3 at a high cd, high munition cost. Then you can call in this unit do do anti-skirmisher reliably and at a cost which needs
work to spam (High MU Costs) so that it can't be used against normal inf without serious investment. If necessary remove inf snare.

That's about it. Other than that I'm really looking forward to playing new OKW in 1v1 and we are so close to good balance with all 5 factions in a 1v1 scenario. Eager to know what people think
and listen to some other considerations that I might've missed.