Von Asten wrote:
once said on Tric's stream that one of the maps looked like stalingrad, and he permabanned me and insulted me for 30 minutes on his stream, one of his mods said via whisper to me that tric was overreacting becuase of the 24 hour stream he was doing that day, and that I shoudlnt take it too seriously. 3 months later I signed up for his tournament and he was still mad about it,
I don't know the entire background, but broadly, what you write is correct.
What you don't mention, but should, is that your 'Stalingrad' refrain transferred itself to the SB and was repeated ad infinitum . Ofc it grated with him. He was asked by Relic to encourage certain kinds of maps - he told you all - and this was essentially CQC/industrial. As he often repeated, he was not there to create further 'Soviet Farmlands'
and YOU, bloodnok, removed me from the tourney. Btw, I already explained to you what happened via PM but you didnt even bother to reply.
Nothing hangs on this. I was asked to invis you from that tourney by the organiser, so I did. I also felt it fair you should know that this had occurred, so I PMd you, in order that there was no doubt.
I started about this particular thing in the shoutbox and it escalated, resulting in a ban for me and tric as well.
Neither of which I was involved in at the time, but it surely tells you the Moderators were watching and disapproved?
pretty ridiculous to label that situation as vonasten being exploiting and negativity towards those who create.
It may be embarassing for you now, but hopefully with hindsight, you would not go there again.
Day after day in the SB...I don't resile from that observation at all. Maybe you did it so frequently, you were unaware of your own spite? :unsure
Jesus man, this is complete bullshit again 
Well...actually it is not. I did not know you had been banned from the SB for this, until I read the earlier part of your post.  |
There is nothing wrong to create revenue from stuff you enjoy doing without feeling entitled to request everyone to tickle your balls because you are creating content.
I don't think that is really fair. If Ami was after money in the way you describe, he would be out there every evening with other streamers, seeking subs, Twitch partnership etc...but he is not.
Da problem arises when you feel entitled to be supported by relic and get butthurt because your "contributing" is not "officially" recognized. That is de-facto da reason why majority of "contributors" leave.
He always aimed high, as you know. It was his vision to cast the game from a large studio, with a big audience.
I was only recently modded. #MVGame
Congrats upon your promotion! |
There are far worse stuff being said in shout box than anything you are accusing VonAsten of.
It is not my intention to defend him, but to defend objective truth.
The SB is a cesspit, I agree. Hopefully, some 'contributors' have now diverted onto Discord, and away from the front pages.
However, that does not excuse the attacks on the creators, even if worse things happen in the SB (which I agree, they do)
I think history has shown dat being mindlessly trolled in coh community is equivalent to getting shot in a ghetto; there are no innocent victims. You have to be a general, grade a dick to be mindlessly trolled.
I advise staff to keep away from the SB, since I see little to encourage positive discussion. Subjects like maps or modding are too long for that genre, given the toxic state of chat there - and I do think there is a case to go back to showing only the last 10 posts or so, in the SB, which would discourage any seri9ous attempt at discussion (which only ultimately gets derailed)
Not true. In majority of cases creators leave because they start feeling entitled after contributing some content. In tric's case, he made a few maps and started bitching about lack of relic support he felt he was entitled to receive. General bitching will cause trolling. In Ami's case, he felt entitled to get half of Relic's prize money for his "contributing" effort. He screwed relic once but when he couldn't do it again, he stopped with SNF.
Tric wanted support, so that he could make more maps.
Ami offered Relic a very good deal, IMO. I don't Relic felt 'screwed' - he was offered ESL, but not on acceptable terms.
Da bottom line is dat people dat generally like contributing content without expecting anything from anyone will stick around. Guys like Stormless, ImperialDane, GG guys, and anyone else dat contributes for da love of da game.
All three casters whom you mention, seem to do thrive financially from their streams 
I don't see those guys getting mindlessly trolled.
I guess, as a Moderator of stormless' stream, you would have to say that. |
Ok, I have raged in the replay section in the past. But to say that I'm Never constructive or troll ''day after day'' in the shoutbox? I mentored here, and I mentored guys on steam who added me. I dont say I deserve a medal for it but to say that I was never constructive is just bullshit...
We are discussing the very specific subject of maps, and your very unhelpful attitude wrt them.
Also, the whole tric map thing escalated becuase tric got really butthurt after I said the map played like stalingrad... Easy for you to mention that as me idiotically trolling.
From where the Moderators and myself stood, it looked as if you loaded the gun and fired it as often as you could.
What possible satisfaction could you obtain from being so rude about mapmaking, other than to promote yourself as a first class troll?
I have to deal with fallout from people such as you, and i can assure you that many staff - (mapmakers/non-mapmakers) are sick.and.tired. of your kind of exploit, and the general negativity towarsds those who create.
Day after day in the shoutbox? I almost never write in the shoutbox. I think that incident with tric was a one time thing.
Day after day in the SB...I don't resile from that observation at all. Maybe you did it so frequently, you were unaware of your own spite?  |
This does not correspond to da objective truth and actuality.
I was among da first ones who tested most (if not all) Tric's maps. VonAsten has also expressed similar criticism for Tric's maps (i am not sure if he actually tested any before release).
Your post #28 here was not helpful. Von Asten and his ilk sang that refrain in excelsis in the Shout Box, day after day. You testing maps was a good thing; Von Asten showboating in the SB was not.
The point being is dat both of us helped in map making process but we had no clue dat Tric was gonna turn into a butthurt diva every time somebody disagrees with him and gives back constructive criticism.
I think, though I may be wrong, that any of us trying to be a constructive creator can turn into a 'butthurt diva', if all we encounter are mindless trolls in the SB, who showboat to impress their audience.
Being a butthurt diva opens a bunch of opportunities for high quality fun, so you can't blame anyone there.
Trouble is: it's not fun, if it drives the creators underground, is it? I mean...have you seen a 2v2 map tourney this year? If not, why not? The question is rhetorical, BTW
Blame us for anything else but map stuff fiasco is not something any of us is responsible for.
Soory- but i am not letting you onto the Von Asten wagon that easily... he was...special.  |
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You sound pretty powerhungry.
You are delusional if you think I care about your threats. 
To approach this as my being power-hungry suggests to me that you are embarassed, bcs I have identified you correctly as a troll of the mapmakers, which you were/are. If we decide you troll too far, you can go onto the Official Forums and carp to your heart's content. Then you will find what 'power hungry'really means. |
Why should saying "Tric your 2 vp map sux donkey dick and we have been telling you dat ever since you released it for testing" carry any consequences? VonAsten should be thanked for his constructive criticism and not conspired against. #MVGame
Von Asten was never constructive, and sad to record, neither are you, when you support his negativity without constructive feedback.
If this game is to survive, for however long, it needs more improved maps, and more patches. If certain people here take the chance to showboat without being constructive, from now on they can live with the consequences.
This site was not constructed as some kind of indirect arty attack upon the Devs, nor as R & R for bored Official Forum Moderators. |
Wow this must have hit a nerf there.
If you consider my little quarrel with Tric as idiotic trolling I feel sorry for you.
No need to feel sorry for me. Feel sorry for yourself. for the reason already mentioned. Your snide comments carry consequences, even if you thought they did not. |
I suggest you go to your AA-meetings side by side 
You are another troll waiting to be culled.  We haven't forgotten your idiotic trolling with the mapmakers. |
Some heavy words from Bloodnok, how do you respond Klooge? #MVGame
He's already under the cosh. Don't add to his misery. Thnx. |
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