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Is it possible to change the G43 values only for Panzergrens by reducing the moving DPS and increase long range performance? Giving them a clear role as long range recon infantry would be quite interesting which ostheer currently doesn't have.

This sounds like an interesting solution. If their G43's had 75% moving dps (instead of 90%), they'd have about the same moving dps with 4 G43's as they currently have with 3 G43's and an STG. That would allow them to get 4 G43's without becoming too strong on the move.

50 sight with G43's would bring them in line with Pathfinders, flare Tommies and JLI. This would give Ostheer true recon infantry.

DPS changes at different ranges would have to be experimented with. I personally don't think an extra G43 would make them a dream unit at all ranges (we're talking 2~ more dps at range 35). Maybe exchange 20% short/mid range dps for 20% more long range damage.

do PGs get 2 or 3 G43's? Also, what are the main advantages of the G43 upgrade over leaving them with their 4 stock STGs?

Panzergrenadiers get 3 G43's, these have about 20% more dps than the G43's Grenadiers get.

+ G43's have the highest moving dps in the game at ~90%, compared to ~50% of STG44's.
+ Panzergrenadiers get 20% bonus sight with G43's, giving them equal sight to Pioneers (42).
+ G43's get better long range dps than STG44's, starting at 27 range.
+ Panzergrenadiers get free interrogation once upgraded.

- G43's have noticably less close and midrange damage than STG44's. I also believe STG44's do more scatter damage (a hidden dps value) and have faster aimtime.
- STG44's benefit more of the bonus accuracy with vet, widening the dps gap between ranges 0-27.
- STG44's do more damage against light vehicles (more significant with new patch).
- You can't upgrade Schrecks anymore once you've upgraded G43's.


IMO
Even with the price decrease, I still believe G43's for Panzergrenadiers is an aimless upgrade. The extra long range dps is not enough to turn them into a dedicated long range squad, while the moving dps can not be utilized to its full extent on a squad as squishy as Panzergrenadiers. Meanwhile, they get downgraded in their intended role.

I'd like the price to be kept around 45-60 munitions and turning it into a true upgrade by giving them 4 G43's and 50 sight. This would give G43 Panzergrenadiers (and G43 Stormtroopers) a clear role as long range recon infantry.

Remove the Panzergrenadiers from the Mechanized Assault Group and make it a 2 CP call-in, that sounds fair enough to me. The whole niche of the group is gone with Panzergrenadiers being buildable from HQ.

Could probably do the same with the Mechanized Grenadier Group, which is woefully underused.

I really don't think OKW should have access to teller mines though. People tend to always say tellers are necessary for ost because they don't have good light vehicle counters, but this doctrine already has a 5 man double schreck squad and puma is still a thing. Tellers are already incredibly frustrating and they'd be even more so if you put them in OKW, who don't really need them. I'd be fine with like some sort of mine that only vehicles can hit if it doesn't one-hit lights. It's honestly a BS mechanic that goes against what coh is supposed to be the same way snipers and the old demo charges (which got nerfed) do/did. It's either you happen to stumble across it with a sweeper and you defuse it or you don't and you lose your vehicle to a single hit. That goes for M20 mine too btw.

What about usf RE mines? Or would that be too spammable?

Miragefla mentioned he was considering replacing the tellers with tank detection btw.

It's so good.

I'd love if something like this would reach the final version.

The 250 with radio antenna also looks solid.