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Then you should read up and learn about how the weapon drop mechanic works first.

No need, I can record a video showing you how often bren guns drop from tommies Vs LMGs from grens seen as though you dont seem to believe me, it needs changing. Thanks for your input.

You described Tommies as weapon pinatas they are simply not.
(There used to be a problem when they got scoped Enfield as veterancy bonus but it was fixed along time ago.)


Then I suggest you check stats before posting about how much DPS each Squad has.

They DO still drop weapons like pinatas, try it out and then call me a liar, but only then.

No, no I dont, not when the topic is about weapon drops and not weapon stats.

And If IS drop it and the grenadier pick it up then they will drop it when their are 1 entity...

The is nothing wrong with current mechanism and no need to fix it.

I've only just seen this and I know its kind of a bump but did you even read what you said and replied to? I'll summarise:

Brens require 2 on a squad to be on par if not slightly better or worse than a grens 1x LMG (I dont know the stats, its moot for now anyway). Due to this, tommies have the potential to drop a bren when 1 unit dies thats 45 muni potentially gone, a gren only drops on death IF it drops.

Just because grens will then drop the bren if they lose 1 model doesn't mean its fine you then have a squad with 1xLMG worth 2 brens, with an additional bren what was said to you was that brens should be buffed so that they can only pick up 1 and then they will only drop a weapon on death IF the game decides that, and not whenever a unit is killed. Then and only then, will the drop mechanics be "Fine".

(and obviously buff BAR for the same reasons)

Many changes can be added without having to add any new unit to the game that would "Make UKF great again".

- Give the UC an ability to cap points if it doesnt have any upgrades (and whilst we are on this, allow MG's to enter it....Units can't fire from it).

When you Vs OKW for example the typical scenario is sturms at your fuel/cut off that is then reinforced by volks/fuzies whilst the kuble caps their section of the map. If you go ealy UC to counter this play youve lost a hell of a lot of resources in the first few moments of the game because you simply can't cap and in turn are constantly on the back foot.

- Non doc mortar. Remove mortar pit as is, replace it with an empty pit that 2 mortars can enter that gives extra protection and range similar to current pit but make the mortar without the pit garrison slightly less range allowing for this stupid design they have of "defensive" (man the pit) "agressive" (just build mortars).

- Slightly buff the AEC's AI damage. Its the only light vehicle that UKF has, it shouldnt be a master at both but it needs more fear factor vs infantry as now its only really good at countering vehicles and if they dont build any light vehicles, you've just gimped your tank battles as you run around tickling enemies with the AEC before the P4 arrives, Or!:

- Remove the Bofors OR AEC restriction

- Make the assault tommies non doc, remove WP nades and only have them unlock with regular nade tech/ replace it with regular nades.

As it stands now, you HAVE to go commandos to get that extra Umph, I have sang praises for the lend lease commander but all in all, its a trap doctrine. It looks great and it fills all the holes that UKF have (CQC unit, mobile mortar AI light vehicle) but then, you've just picked a commander that isn't a commander so all you're left with is feild repairs (I mean, does anyone actually build the tanks other than for panic mode?).

Look at the new OKW commander, the BS one that everyone picks because it counters everything:

- Fuzies (Spammable, G43s, fausts)
- Smoke drop (counters MG's/ATG's)
- IR STG44's (Cloak detection on infantry because, why not)
- Panzer commander (drop super fast arty etc)
- Tiger 1 (Stall for tiger, enough said)

So an already fully fleshed out army, gets more whilst the newest UKF commander just polyfills holes but then leaves you with nothing.

I can't remember if they changed the accuracy or the damage of tommie squads but I have noticed on far too many occasions for it to just be RNG or confirmation bias, that 1v1 with sturms rushing tommies from max range, you will be lucky to drop even 1 model before they get next to you and then just melt your squads, I think something needs looking at there too, not saying it should go back to pre patch, but maybe it was just a bit too much of a nerf?

I mean after all it was to counter UKF blobs right? I mean thank god it was only UKF that blobbed and not OKW with Obers thrown in the middle or OST with G43 gren blobs, right!

Here is what is wrong with UKF currently:

- No viable stock CQC unit

The engies are utter dire in combat even with 5 man you are lucky to drop 1 model before losing 3 of yours.

- MG doesn't suppress

Sure it does damage but that's not what I want the MG to do, when 2-3 squads are running at it I don't want to have to burst each one 3 times before the get suppressed. This one kind of affects every faction but it still needs to be said... Fuck the death loop, vetted LMG obers can literally take on a vetted vickers from the front without issues.

- Always on the back foot

No matter what you do, you have to spend fuel to make the core units viable which delays tech. At the same time you are facing a team that can simply pop upgrades mid fight from nades to fausts to weapons, all for *free (*No additional fuel required that wouldn't be spent teching).

- Light vehicle is useless against infantry

Remember the days of the AEC dominating infantry? No one wants those days back but when a Puma (confirmation bias) beats the AEC at killing infantry, from a faction that has an amazing AI vehicle, the AEC needs an upgrade in that department.

They have gone from removing its AI damage to then making it better at AT by tweaking the tread shot ability, to then reverting the tread shot ability back to what it was, its just been nerfed to the ground, not to mention there are fausts around every corner and against OKW, from every unit bar the Obers and Sturms.

Its handy against OST but against OKW, its just a death sentence that once again, delays tech and is too expensive for what it does, I'd rather 2 bofors than 1 AEC, for 280mp and 10 more fuel, you have 2 emplacements that can fend off infantry and light vehicles at key points of the map with ease (Good luck keeping them alive though(probably the bet balanced unit in the UKF faction)).

- Pinatas

Nothing, absolutely nothing infuriates me more than dropping weapons and them getting picked up by the enemy. It's bullshit and really needs to be reworked. Gren LMGs, Ober LMG's very rarely drop, very very rarely. Flamers are next in rarity and then shrecks are the most common (from Pgrens) I simply dont understand why, after the brens have been nerfed that the UKF player has to spend 15 fuel, 45 muni (90 muni for 2), pick them up from base, all for the privilege of dropping them when a bullet hits the floor near them, are they secretly french?

G43's, STGs and other weapons all get upgraded on mainline infantry and will never drop, because? UKF can't have snares on tommies only engies, fair enough, adds a bit of strategy to the placement of units, so why does the likes of OKW need STG's on their mainline infantry when they have Obers/sturms that could theoretical do the dirty work if we are using the same logic used to say why tommies cant have snares in that they will be an "everything unit".

- No non doc indirect counters

I do like the mortar pit, don't get me wrong, but it is useless when it comes to being mobile. face double leigs and as UKF there is almost nothing that you can do against it if they are out of range of your pit and even then, if they are, you have to invest quite heavily in defending it depending on the map and the pits placement. Just give UKF a slightly lower range mobile mortar and allow a pit to be build that costs manpower and increases its range when placed inside with a maximum of 2 mortars.

- It feels like a game of Rock,Paper, that's it

More so against OKW whatever you build, they can counter without picking a doctrine.

AEC - Puma
Commandos - Searchlight
Emplacements - LEIGs
Team weapons - Stuka
Use cover to be able to fight well - Stuka/Leigs/Flame nades
Try to make infantry viable before your first tank - Tiger

- What UKF needs

1) Engies CQC damage looking at or Thompson upgrade for tommies non doc - I'm bored of having to go commandos.
2) AEC AI buff/Additional unit added (Quad HT please ) or simply, remove the restriction of AEC OR Bofors, make them both available together
3) Weapon drop rates reduction/rework
4) Mobile indirect
5) 5 man cost reduction/tied to tech
6) MG supression increased, reduced damage

I'm sure there are many more issues that I have missed but off the top of my head, this is where UFK really do falter. I look forward to the usual replies I get on this forum.