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Ok, you've said your piece on Wada, let's get back to topic.

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As someone who is far more ingrained in the DoW II community than with CoH 2, I am going to respectfully disagree with you Wada, and hopefully I won't come across as some protective little bitch.

The way the beta was done was via a sign up method, just like the alphas and betas that CoH 2 has had. Of course, there have also been some truly "closed" ones before where participants were pre-selected, but in the case of this one, everyone had an equal chance. This means that the reason the CoH 2 community was not represented in the beta was because they did not apply, so if you want people to be involved, they need to turn up in the first place to sign up.

There are some problems when it comes to this approach of course, many legitimately good and faithful players are left out, however, there are also some issues with using the approach of nepotism to choose candidates.

CoH 2 is a fundamentally different game from DoW III and its predecessors. Whilst this is seemingly obvious, there's a reason that I want to emphasise this: CoH 2 players (for the most part) do not understand DoW, and vice verse. There are a small number of instances where DoW II players graduated to CoH 2 such as HolyHammer and Vindicare, but for the most part CoH 2 players have not played the game or played it very little/at a low level.

Just because you are a bigshot in one community, this does not guarantee you understand the way every game is made. I imagine that Luvnest is incredibly well versed with CoH 2's ins and outs, but his lack of experience with DoW games is going to lead him to erroneous balance statements. The same would be said if I was invited to a CoH 3 beta: I haven't invested enough time into playing CoH and reaching a high level to have a useful opinion, despite understanding DoW's mechanics inside out. I imagine you would not appreciate having a bunch of people who were barely involved with CoH 2 come and shit all over CoH 3 because they want to introduce things that would never work.

To address your points as to why they should be invited however:

1) They may be potent players and are probably more aware of how to balance the game than others, but their suggestions will be grounded in their understanding of CoH. DoW III is very much like DoW I, which is different to any other Relic game, so if you have no experience there, you will be immediately shocked at how DoW III plays out. For example, I see people wanting to introduce retreat to DoW III. This is a terrible idea, because the game is not made with retreat functions in mind and would start to break the flow and balance of the game.

2) The esport scene will form regardless of whether CoH 2 players are involved, given that the ones who will end up at the top of the ladder will be the ones who simply have the drive to do best in the game, not the ones who took part in CoH 2's ESL just because they have that experience. Plenty of DoW players and other moba/SC players are familiar with how to get the ball rolling, so whilst I appreciate the need to mix and mingle the communities, DoW is not going to die because it didn't have some high up CoH 2 esports players in its beta.

Now, I agree and disagree with your next point for a few reasons. Firstly, I think Relic SHOULD have preselected some people for it and guaranteed them entry, because a lot of people went in very negative, and played the beta to great positive reaction. I agree certain members of both communities should be rewarded, but this argument has a double edge because the same happened in the DoW community. Caeltos, old high level player and founder of the largest DoW balance mod ever, Elite, did not even get into the beta. If Caeltos does not get in to the beta, I see no reason why a guy like The Machine should. Don't take that the wrong way, I'm sure his opinions would be interesting, but if Relic aren't taking the top tier of the DoW community, don't expect the CoH one to get that treatment. I really wish more people who have this viewerbase had got the beta, because then the game would appear a lot better. It is genuinely good, but because people can't play it they don't like what they see, however, the DoW community should be put first, because the divide between the two franchises means a lot of CoH players will not be inteested either way.

I am glad that you do acknowledge that the DoW pros should be included, but honestly, the CoH 2 community, unless the players adapt to these drastic changes the game has, will likely not like DoW III anyway, much in the way a lot don't like DoW II. Just because they are great here, it does not guarantee they will even understand the other.

Anyway, I don't entirely disagree, but I don't think the CoH 2 community is as important in regards to DoW III as you make it out to be.

And to everyone else, hate me, I'm a filthy DoW player.

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