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The command P4 won't beat any mediums, heavy RNG aside.

The self-buff makes the unit more durable than it is necessary and could be removed.
I'm in favour of how the current aura works, because the previous sector-based aura wasn't intuitive at all.

I also wouldn't want to give this unit the "T34-85 treatment" because it is one of the few units that allows skipping T3 and makes T4 builds somewhat reasonable and not just a fairytale. Otherwise there's not that much incentive over a regular P4.


What makes the command P4 perceived as overpowered is mainly the combination with (vet 3-) lmg grens and pak walls, which on their own perform at the peak compared to their counterparts. Throw in a Puma and factor in the non-existent teching cost and you got yourself a very deadly and affordable unit composition in the mid-game.

Therefore i believe the mobile defense commander is easily one of the best (if not the best against USF) commander in 1v1, which only lacks in the late-game.


If you would remove the self-buff i don't think the command P4 constitutes as a huge problem per se... it's more the combination and synergy with other units (cost-efficient long range infantry, best sniper, best mg, best at gun) that makes it really scary.

I think perhaps I may have used the wrong language in associating pz4 command tanks effectiveness against other mediums. But because of this misstep I think it would be foolish to give the unit a pass. When you say "perceived as overpowered" you are basically implying that it isn't, correct? But what I find interesting is that you go on to describe the very same point I make in this unit's very efficient role in the Wehrmacht army. This units enormous endurance buff to already several of the best core units in the ENTIRE GAME make it quite for a frustrating experience. You also describe the non- existent teching cost associated with this strategy. So it seems to me that you and I are not very different in our assessments of this unit itself and the role it plays. If you disagree with my conclusion please explain further, I am very interested in your response.

And just another note. In high level 1v1 play this unit, vs USF, is arguably, and I mean this seriously, close to a win button. I will re-iterate this again. The amount of resources you must use to combat this unit ( along with the core that it buffs) effectively far exceeds the amount that is used to create it. That alone should be an indicator that the unit is over performing in its role.

And another point on the discussion this thread has brought. I find that many people who reply to this thread make very un - sophisticated arguments that provide no value to this discussion. Merely saying " This unit is fine dont touch it ". If you really believe this unit deserves a pass, provide logical evidence in your argument that this unit is not over performing in 1v1. ( The game mode that balance making decisions are mainly catered for ).

Just as i told people dont know the stats and blame the game, in this case the commpz4 for losing.

Also aura doesn't boost hp by 20%.

baseless accusations

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So what does 20% less damage actually mean? 20% more health

You are doing a great job at making yourself look incompetent.

Based on this, i guess you don't even know the tank and the aura stats.

Victory needs no explanation, defeat allows none.

The tank has the same health, same armor, and rear armor than a regular pz4. I already conceded that it doesn't have the same lethality as a regular panzer 4. ( which implies damage and pen).

To say that a 20% hp boost to all units in its aura is not enormous is deluded, I suggest you not be so condescending in your future posts.

Provide a counter argument to my point instead of baseless accusations. Please and Thank you!

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I agree Momo, but I'm afraid people would rather go for a regular P4 then instead, leaving P4 command tank doctrines in an awkward spot. But I like the idea with some tweaks and adjustmets. Could we do the same to the M4C Sherman from Lend Lease aswell? And the KV8, IS2, ISU, Tiger, ... while we're at it.

I do recognize the issue of keeping it relevant and that putting it into T3 will undoubtedly make players second guess their decisions. I think this is healthy for the game and would involve more tactical thinking and decision making rather than "hue hue call in tank ". Put it up to the Wehrmacht player to decide which unit would satisfy their most immediate concern instead of pigeon holing them into call ins. Do I want a more AT capable unit, or one that boosts my core and can allow me to hold and capture certain points much more efficiently?

That's the type of discourse I would like to initiate for all units that are similar to this one, as the ones you mentioned. I am certainly for the same treatment for these others, but I think they might deserve a case by case analysis rather than grouping them all together.

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