Profile of JuanElstretchyNeck

People need to stop placing so much emphasis on the unit itself and think about its place within the faction.Yes, Volks may well be one of, if not the strongest Handheld AT unit in the game, but they are also part of a faction that has arguably the least capability for countering light and medium vehicles.

The alternatives to shrek'd volks with current faction design are Puppchens. As I've said in my previous posts, OKW will become even more broken if shreks are moved to Sturmpioneers with out a major faction overhaul, which Relic won't do because it takes time and effort.

We can sit here until the cows come home calling this and that unit OP, but calling for MAJOR overhauls is a waste of time when it is clear Relic is hardly managing to troubleshoot minor bugs, let alone major balance issues which take a lot of time and effort to rectify.

Volksgrenadiers CAN be fixed with minimal effort IMO, without the need to remove shreks entirely and make Volks a forgotten unit.

I don't think Panther is really one of the problem tanks. AT guns and SU85/jackson can stand up to panther so long as Panther isn't allowed to close the distance before it takes a couple of hits.

The real problem (especially for USF) is Tiger Ace and the King Tiger. The massive amount of HP/armour requires a hell of a lot of DPS and units with high pen - a major shortfall in USF army composition.

Great OP/Thread Silver Sage. Good to finally see the hard numbers for what I have felt for a long time is the problem with Panzershreks - its long range performance.

One thing I don't agree with is everyone crying out for shreks to be removed entirely from Volksgrenadiers. If Relic were to do this, Volks would become little more than useless cannon fodder. There isn't really a suitable infantry unit in the OKW roster to pass the shreks on to. Sturms are too high on MP cost to have a shrek upgrade and Obers are also expensive and come out too late to properly replace the AT role of volks.

The easiest (and likely most effective way) to fix the over-performance of shreks for both OKW and ostheer is to reduce the long range accuaracy - or maybe even the penetration - of the shrek AS WELL AS increase the range/targeting time of the Raketenwerfer to compensate for the shrek nerf.

Nerfing shreks without buffing the Puppchen would make OKW have even more trouble countering light vehicles in the early game.

I feel like this is one of the bigger balance issues between the factions, and considering the performance differences between Allied & Axis armour it boggles the mind that Axis have access to such a powerful hand-held AT weapon whilst the Allied factions have extremely poor performing hand-held AT.

Like many other balance problems, The issue is even worse in 2v2 and larger games, where Axis are able to pump out more Super heavy armour AS WELL as amass blobs of Panzergrens/Volksgrenadiers that roam the map absolutely dominating even the heaviest allied tanks.

I'm a self-confessed OKW whore and have spent quite a bit of time thinking about this issue, so take than into account before anyone tries to cry Allied fanboyism

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