elefant non meta ? ''That elephant commander was really a non meta commander.'' non meta coz hulldown ? while commander has panzer tactician and command piv ? like who uses stuka elefant commander anymore ? both elefant commanders are as meta as possible in 2s. i cant even see ostheer lategame without elefant (espesially the command panzer one) is this war against shock isu (which u never see in use in any game mode) coz we beat ur mates with talisman so fast in vaux today ? maybe u try something else than tiger in that big map. i would see tiger in use in like maps such ettelbruck, trois, small maps, hard to manouver, lose advantage of mass t34s/ isu. Tho the game we played today, ur mates make little bit big deal about isu, since ISU shot only couple time during that game (and few kills) the real deal was the su-76s and 85s, not the isu. Also, try out 2 stug and vet them before isu hits field. 2x stugs + stun shots deals isu with ease.
Since what ive seen ur teams strats are pretty much command panther + elefant, this is non meta tournament. u need to figure out something else now. or dont participate. thats also choice.
We've been playing today only non meta commander games, i dont see problem with commanders and strats. yeah allied basic build and infantry are strong. But so is okw if u make game last over 40min. ostheer is our poor abused little boi which has to struggle with allied war machinery, no matter if its non meta or meta, its sad, but true. but ISU itself wont win the tournament, even there isnt ''hard counter'' for it.
okw has obers/kt non doctrinal. no calliope to wipe infantry. vet 5n okw will be really fine in this tournament.ostheer might have some rough time, but ostheer has some rough time, no matter the game mode. just needs to adapt. and even there is tiger available as commanders, its still really situational to choose. #StugOP
second of all, no1 meansions vet5 command panther and my mark target
About the map, north is horrible
POLES 1 : FINS 0
was nice panther play no doubt. but again, there is just statement of north being horrible. only for ostheer for bad manouver and harder sniper play coz covers locations (at expected engagement areas). and pls, not poles but Austria 1 : Fins 0
and i wouldnt bring this out here. it was solid game, no cheese, either side, could have build more calliopes and more over popcap, didint. but dont try to make okw any less than it is. vet 5 system is as op as mortar or calliope. in this game tanks won, not infantry. IF we did lose in map like this, in game and commanders like these to double ostheer, i would have deleted coh2 already. but okw isnt underperforming in 2s. bit absurd to even say sarcastic '' axis so op '' . i can 2v2 stark and pitt in in moscow as allies vs 2x ostheer anytime. i wonder what the winrate for allies would be
okay hold on. 1v1 okw<ostheer. 2v2 definetly okw>ostheer. okw can take huge losses, as we can see here. ostheer couldnt handle even half of those . okw can suffer in men like allies. (well lets say if u dont totally fuk up in early stage when there is no vet) this is like quite balanced meta game we played here. u see, i take losses , talisman takes losses, like allies manytimes does ( talking of infantry). but okw can take same ammount of losses. and in the end, roll up with bad ass tanks, which are quite unkillable. they dont afford to lose vehicles, like allies. but in the end. when things hits vet 4 to 5, can u even ? this map , is total bs for ostheer, mgs easy to flank, snipers hard to manouver thx to all fences and certain point covers ( cant camo that easily, open fields) <-- while those 2 units are pretty much all in all for ostheer in early and later stage. but moscow, for okw, is no balance issue. its myth and bs.
Like, i do hope any1, who comments here, watches first the replay. then sees the true thing with okw. veterancy 5. its crazy. crazy af. even crazier than calliope. jpv 2 shot calliope into 10% healt. 2 shot. fire rate: 1,5sec per shot.
i dont say shit is unbalanced, they survived very well, even calliopes was hammering their infantry hard. really fking hard. ostheer wouldnt survive that, and wouldnt got help from semi automatic shooting elefant, since its vets ends to 3 MVGame
maybe for ostheer yeah, but there is no map which isnt pain for ostheer atm. riflemen/IS/penals (even cons) kick ostheer ass, only way to survive is sniper or well played mg42 at early game. and in that case , north moscow is hard for ostheer, tho not that much for okw.
yeah, ppl plays usa/ukf alot, true. u can cheese by spamming 4 calliope if u feel like that, or u can spam 4 penals if u feel like that cheese. have u seen 20 kill cons in about 10 minutes in a while ? thats skill, not cheese
maybe the most common build is couple penal and m3, or couple maxim, but i think talisman has high knowledge and skill enough in this game, so he dont need to explain his stradegies.
well, i guess it doesnt matter if u have 10k fuel, and low on mp... and i doubt firefly would rek vet 5 jpv. and then, what would have rekt all dat infantry if brits instead usf. (no soviet is no option)
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And north moscow if fking MYTH i mean , tell me, what it is what makes it so ''hard'' to play. i dont see it , as far as i watch field. ppl say ''fuk, north moscow'' but in the end, i dont see any1 point the reason of more shittier side, north
i think calliopes had like 2-3 barrages when they didint wipe full squad, during whole game, but seems like shit just doesnt hurt okw like it hurts ost
well, i guess it doesnt matter if u have 10k fuel, and low on mp... and i doubt firefly would rek vet 5 jpv. and then, what would have rekt all dat infantry if brits instead usf. (no soviet is no option)
And north moscow if fking MYTH i mean , tell me, what it is what makes it so ''hard'' to play. i dont see it , as far as i watch field. ppl say ''fuk, north moscow'' but in the end, i dont see any1 point the reason of more shittier side, north
i think calliopes had like 2-3 barrages when they didint wipe full squad, during whole game, but seems like shit just doesnt hurt okw like it hurts ost
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both elefant commanders are as meta as possible in 2s. i cant even see ostheer lategame without elefant (espesially the command panzer one) is this war against shock isu (which u never see in use in any game mode) coz we beat ur mates with talisman so fast in vaux today ? maybe u try something else than tiger in that big map. i would see tiger in use in like maps such ettelbruck, trois, small maps, hard to manouver, lose advantage of mass t34s/ isu. Tho the game we played today, ur mates make little bit big deal about isu, since ISU shot only couple time during that game (and few kills) the real deal was the su-76s and 85s, not the isu. Also, try out 2 stug and vet them before isu hits field. 2x stugs + stun shots deals isu with ease. 
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