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Poor hans... can never admit that his opponent is good. Hans is good and all but he really has some maturing to do |
My full answer to the actual and specific question the Devs asked for feedback on, is here:
http://www.coh2.org/topic/20942/action-items-balance-feedback-required/post/188243
Even in that post you're clinging into the notion that the Soviet weapons themselves have sufficient stats to warrant a smaller squad size. Sorry but you're just completely wrong. Look at the screenshot from Ciez... Peter said clearly and unequivocally that squad size was and is taken into account for the stats and performance of Soviet weapons. You'd be even more foolish than I thought totry and disagree with the man that heads up game balance, and created the baselines for all weapons...
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To my understanding its exactly the same with MG42.
http://www.coh2.org/topic/20942/action-items-balance-feedback-required/post/187290
The Support Weapon stats themselves are already mostly aligned, asymmetrically, for equivalence.
The durability of Sov Support Weapons due to 2 additional crew, sits ontop of that as a completely extra and superfluous advantage that really shouldn't be there.
As you can see from OP, even Relic is aware of and considers this an issue, or why else would they ask for feedback on a change to it?
Your claim that the stats of Soviet weapons is already balanced without taking into consideration squad size is completely and utterly false. Please show me where a relic dev has said that this is the case? Or provide some statistical evidence to back this up. Soviet teams clearly preform worse than their ost counterparts, in 1v1. |
The poll agrees that US is strongest in 1v1, by a significant margin of votes.
Of total 170+ voters, 94-97% disagree with Ciez's clear statement in this thread that Ost is strongest in 1v1, and infact vote Ost as the weakest, which is the polar opposite of the claim he made here (which though it is irrelevant to the thread, he did infact make anyways).
Anyways, I agree its not relevant to thread, except to point out the almost complete disagreement of community vote with Ciez's statement, as shown by a very valid poll. He expressed his opinion, and I answered it with the poll results. There is really nothing more or less to it.
Take from that what you will 
Lets return to discussing US balance, as is the purpose of the thread, and incidentally the poll agrees with US being the strongest in 1v1, so that was relevant.
It seems my question as to you how can justify trying to claim that you were part of the private alpha, after admitting that you weren't even in the public alpha has been dodge'ddddddddddd. I eagerly await your response.
On topic, I personally think usf is too strong still, for pretty much all the reasons already listed, but I'd be inclined to give the opinion of a top player more weight than you do. What rank are you anyways? You always harp about other people's player cards but always hide your own, hypocrite. |
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Nice first post contradiction, new poster dude.
First you call the poll argumentum ad populum (which is silly), and then you cite the poll yourself as the most objective data we have. Ok.
The poll has 170+ respondents, which is huge for a community this size, and carries a control question.
And Ive never said to Ciez that I would ignore his posts, or requested vice versa.
No idea what your point in your post was with that. Or what made you think that.
I was just, factually, pointing out that 94-97% of voters disagree with his assessment that Ost is strongest in 1v1 (lol).
Infact Ost is voted completely the opposite, as the weakest in 1v1. Sort of quite a difference between his opinion and the almost complete majority of everyone else, if you know what I mean...
As ontopic, the poll does indeed portrayba very strong representation of US as strongest 1v1 faction.
Lol.. I never cited the poll, I was referring to win rates. Derp da derp.
Speaking of contradicting... remember that time you claimed to be part of the beta? Did you forget about this post of yours... http://www.coh2.org/topic/18587/one-week-from-release-and-still-no-official-okw-gameplay/post/166816
Seems legit bro. |
Nice try, but I explained at great length why the poll is remarkably valid.
170+ voters is an enormous turnout for a game as small as this, and the poll maker included a control question situation (whether deliberately or not, I dont know, but it functions as such nonetheless).
Its very valid. Definately the best indicator of opinion that we currently have, from any source.
If you have a better one, go ahead and feel free to link it.
Id love to see it.
Only 6%, nominally, agree with you that Ost is the strongest (which is compromised and statistically questioned by the high quotient of voters who also vote Ost as the WEAKEST in 1v1). Accounting for those, the actual agreement rate with your position, comes out at just above 3%.
Nothing I said above, is "trolling", but nice try, again, to paint a factual and rational explanation and analysis as anything but that. I just stated it how it is.
You state that " how out of touch the majority of this community is with current faction balance".
Nice insult and disregarding of the community basis. Who are you to claim that the majority is out of touch, when you are infact shown to be out of touch with the opinion of 94-97% of the playerbase? Sort of pot valling kettle black, isnt it?
Im not Nullist, btw. And yet again, that is just another attempt to sideline a rational and exhaustively explained argument.
That, of itself, is trolling on your part.
You are free to have the opinion you want, of course, even though the overwhelming majority
as in 94-97%
disagree with you.
Good luck with that.
Dont blame me for point that out. Its your opinion, not mine. Its just the facts as we know them, atm.
Your poll doesn't really prove anything. Argumentum ad populum.
Moreover, who do you think you are to ask someone to ignore you and then try to pick a petty fight on forums over a completely opinion based question? Pretty hypocritical of you tbh. What do you have against Ciez anyways? It's not the first time I've seen you try to pick a fight with him.
On topic: if win rates are to be believed, which they should be since they're the most objective data we have unless Relic provides us with actual faction v faction statistics, then usf is definitely too strong 1v1. To be fair though, this data would need more time to normalize after the most recent patch which heavily buffed okw and nerfed usf. |
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