Profile of OrangePest

7-man cons arrive approximately 1-2 minutes earlier then they do currently on live.
You feel they arrive way too fast likely because you haven't played a singular game with unlocking them through T3 and always got them by T4, where most people get them, because side costs involved are too great outside of 3v3 and 4v4.

And osttruppen have served their purpose by 5th minute already.

This is wrong. I've had multiple games today where they come out around the 6~~ min mark (I think i had it out by 5:15 at one point too), at the latest it's 7-8.

Also, this is a lot of assumptions? I'm a top 1v1 player, I've experimented with it a lot, and in probably over 30~~ games used the early at-nade-Molo mobilize reserve rush. Even more bizarelly, thinking ostruppen have served their purpose by the 5th minute??? This is now how coh2 works. Ostruppen generally only become useless by the time 7men come out, in any other matchup they are still extremely strong because of their sandbags and their cover bonus. But 7men makes that completely useless

Jeez, I'm getting secondhand embarrassment from you. Please for the love of god actually play the preview before shitting up the thread.

no they dont... 7 man takes more fuel/more time than any other weapon upgrade for any mainline ingame bar none....

Was I drawing comparisons to other weapon upgrades? Also wrong, Ostruppen lmg.

I don't think buffing them directly is a good idea. Mainline inf spam is already too prominent. Why not just remove sandbags from all mainlines. This would be a massive indirect buff for grens (particularly LMG grens) and it would make the early mid game a million times more interesting.

While that would be the ideal choice, I see a very small chance that the balance team would move in that direction. It's one of those things you'd think they'd have done already otherwise.

I rather choose more durable, maybe we modify the vet system a bit? Rather then having -20% damage at vet 3, how about we modify it like this?

Vet 1: Unlock healing kit (only 10muni) & -10% damage
Vet 2: Increase accuracy 40% (the same as before)
Vet 3: further -10% damage

Or do you mean they are not even durable enough before vet 1 like the new system I suggest?

Because I play mainly 2vs2, My Grenadier at the start of the game usually clump up as a group of 2 - 3 together but I understand that you 1vs1 players have to spear them out around the map so durable is need.

P/S: I know my suggestion is flaw, I'm happy to hear your critic, thanks (also sorry about my English, it is not my native language)

I could see something like that working, where you get the same benefits piecemeal and earlier. But any and all gren changes would have to be played out first before any real judgement can be thrown out on whether its a viable change or not.

So i've played a few games, mainly wehr vs usf/sovw, haven't tried much else. My main thing i drew away from it was that the meta will remain exactly the same for wehr and even more stale now than before, with 5man grens being nerfed there isn't really any value to sacrificing your early game with shitty grens when you could simply just get ostruppen, and if you nerf ostruppen the faction becomes nigh unplayable now.

Like the incentive before with 5man grens was that you'd get a really overpowered squad but you would smash asunder your early game, now that that's gone there's no point in going 5man because you're destroying your early game for a mid-level squad at best. And honestly why would anyone even wanna bother? Just go ostruppen.

I feel like these changes are trying to do magic here more than anything, you can't decide to make the meta less stale by ignoring the glaring issues a faction has. grens aren't good mainline and haven't been. And this refusal to buff them to make them usable will always force people into alternatives that avoid them, Assgren/ostruppen. If you want the 1v1 meta to stop being stale, then you simply have to buff them. There isn't any other solution that really exists for it.

I remember this change being implemented in one of the previews and being thrown out because t4 ostwind/hetzer rushes were OP