Profile of LemonJuice

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For me the biggest issue with OKW when I play 1v1 as Soviet is that T-34 is not a threat for Volks with Shreks. It's quite the opposite. A salvo from 2 Volks squads will drop it down yo half health forcing a retreat because you never know if there is no roketenwerfen ready to quickly finish it of nearby. The range on Shreks is on same as well so you can engage at Max distance without even risking Volks. I'd star with long range accuracy adjustment on OKW shrecks and see how it goes.


The other issue I have is that it's too difficult to punish OKW player for placing his base Flacktruck too forward. This thing can take on any allied medium tank alone. I think flaktruck penetration could be adjusted so its stops the infantry but can't threaten medium tanks.

destroying a schwerer HQ requires a coordinated and patient attack. you cant just rush into it with mediums and hope to kill it. be intentional with what youre going to do.
wether it be sniping it with jacksons, barraging it with 120mm mortars, attacking out of range with at guns while machine guns push off any counter attack, or swarming it with multiple medium tanks, you have to be intentional in destroying it.
the cheapest way to do it is using two 120mm mortars, using at guns + machine guns/infantry is also effective, and the fastest way is probably attacking with mass armor, but also the riskiest since you could possibly lose a tank if there are supporting anti-tank next to the schwerer.

I agree with almost everything here. Allied have an advantage in 2v2's

But u are correct in that u don't have to argue that allies are more difficult to play. We have stats and dev quotes that prove that they are.

once i learned how to min/max with allies theyre not as difficult as you think. just need to have a different mindset than when playing as axis.

Im not arguing against that allied factions are more difficult to play. however, i think you guys grossly overestimate how much more 'skill' is required to play allies. coh2 is a game of strategy. proper micro and utilizing your units will get you far, however strategizing effectively, having timings, and knowing what counters what and when is what you need to take that next step.

at the highest of skill levels i believe allies have the edge, in 2v2s atleast, for various reasons.

My argument isn't that OKW doesn't need any map control at all. I just think they need less than other factions. Munitions in particular just isn't that important for them after a certain point because of obersoldaten. You even say so yourself. Every other faction has to spend either munitions or fuel to be able to compete vs infantry the way they do.

Of course if you take and hold the whole map and then steamroll your opponent with tanks before he's ready you'll win, OKW isn't THAT OP

okw still needs to maintain map control in the early game because, as i mentioned, losing fuel/excessive territories means your luchs/obers dont come out in a timely manner, and further sets behind the panther. munitions are very important in the early game, and you basically need to spend them on shreks at every oppurtunity. the shrek en masse is probably the most effective armor deterrent that the OKW have. the jagdpanzer severely hamstrings your teching capabilities, and the raketen has a terrible aimtime. if you want to counter m3a1s, m20s, and early medium armor, you have to rely on the shrek. otherwise you risk getting completely dominated. i only have an excess of munitions in the midlate to late game, but then again most factions do, and there are late game artillery to call in and mines to lay

im not arguing against more muni dumps for OKW, i've suggested them for awhile now. however the idea that the OKW can just hole up in a small sector of the map while you cap the rest and still win most of the time, is wrong. in most maps the munitions and fuel points are fairly far apart, so if they choose to just hole up you should be able to take one of their vital points