Pak Howitzer needs adjustment

Jump back to quoted post8 Aug 2019, 02:10 AMdistrofio

Is it really that much of a deal a Pak Howie being decrewed by a single indirect hit?
The weapon its still in a safe zone, far away from any form of danger of being destroyed, captured or converted to fuel...

Jump back to quoted post8 Aug 2019, 23:42 PMLoopDloop

Well seeing as they are in a "safe zone", they probably won't get hit by anything other than indirect fire, so yes, the fact that single shots can decrew it does matter, especially with stukas, pwerfers, and lefhs being a thing. It matters just as much to its survivability as any other indirect fire piece and it matters because it'll lose vet and you'll have to recrew it with more expensive to reinforce infantry. So yeah.

Jump back to quoted post9 Aug 2019, 23:22 PMdistrofio

I get your point but i wouldnt switch 'matters' with 'annoys'. Unless wstuka can fire again in less than 10 seconds you can get the pak howie back to safety if it is a priority, if it is not then leave it and the whole pak howie discussion becomes worthless. Plus points if you can use some smoke to get it back to safety if needed.

Since when a single werfer rocket kills 5-3 man teamweapons? Am i really missing something?
RE are really that expensive?

Jump back to quoted post10 Aug 2019, 04:22 AMLoopDloop

Well we were discussing survivability of indirect fire team weapons. Ask insanehoshei why it matters so much too, not just me. I think it matters because of veterancy and because it turns into a manpower drain, just like any other casualties do.

Also it's pretty hard to save team weapons from any rocket arty just because of low response times, especially pwerfers or stukas since they inflict so much of their damage immediately (compared to like katy or LM). If you had ever paid attention to the thread or what goes on in game, you'd know especially that pack howies are even more vulnerable since 3 crew members are clumped right on the gun, meaning a single hit (yes, even from a pwerfer) can decrew it. Only like the 3rd time I've had to say this.

Jump back to quoted post10 Aug 2019, 09:12 AMDangerous-Cloth

Hm pwerfer is actually pretty underwhelming, you can easily safe it from that. Saving it from a walking stuka is another matter. That thing needs to be looked at too.

Jump back to quoted post10 Aug 2019, 09:48 AMNickbn

Dude, could you take the time to answer my previous question? It seems to me you are avoiding it now.

Jump back to quoted post10 Aug 2019, 12:20 PMDangerous-Cloth

Matey, I responded to a comment of yours that was a response of yourself to someone else. Don't get mad at me when the guy you were talking with doesn't respond.

That is not the point, as it is has units that need to be stationary too. The ENTIRE core of Ostheer is stationary. The pak howi counters it all without any kind of user input.

Jump back to quoted post10 Aug 2019, 09:12 AMDangerous-Cloth

Hm pwerfer is actually pretty underwhelming, you can easily safe it from that. Saving it from a walking stuka is another matter. That thing needs to be looked at too.

Jump back to quoted post10 Aug 2019, 12:21 PMSuperHansFan

Problem with the Pak howi is it can utterly drain MP and cause a lot of pain from a safe distance.

But then the moment it gets hit by stuka it is instawiped and is a trash unit and invalid.

Maybe make it and the isg more mobile, but remove auto attack. Decrease barrage response time

Jump back to quoted post10 Aug 2019, 16:49 PMNickbn

I am not mad at all, you are misinterpreting my post. Simply asking for some clarification to better understand you.

To keep it ontopic. No - you did not reply and certainly didn't answer the question that was asked, However some other people found it necessary to answer my question to you for you, which is odd but I specifically asked for your clarification, so I will do it again:

Jump back to quoted post10 Aug 2019, 16:49 PMNickbn

Could you please elaborate on what you mean by this? Which units are these according to you when you say 'entire core'?

Jump back to quoted post10 Aug 2019, 16:49 PMNickbn

(other people please refrain from answering, I am asking himto better understand what he means)

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2019, 04:54 AMLoopDloop

All it takes is one rocket hitting that pack howie crew though. I wouldn't exactly call the thing underwhelming either. I know it doesn't have a huge payload but it comes fast and (more importantly) all at the same time. It's also the only one that suppresses for some reason.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2019, 20:20 PMDangerous-Cloth

Yes, but in a 1v1, you will never see a pwerfer in 99% of the cases. You can't even afford a panther in most scenarios and if you go for a pwerfer, you waste fuel that you need for a panther if you ever get there. In a 2v2, yes I can see your point.

In teamgames double pak howi can be a real pain though, screened by riflemen and tommies for example, you will never get close.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2019, 20:20 PMDangerous-Cloth

Yes, but in a 1v1, you will never see a pwerfer in 99% of the cases. You can't even afford a panther in most scenarios and if you go for a pwerfer, you waste fuel that you need for a panther if you ever get there. In a 2v2, yes I can see your point.

In teamgames double pak howi can be a real pain though, screened by riflemen and tommies for example, you will never get close.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2019, 18:02 PMFuhrers Advisor

PAK howitzer is fine, considering how much the Leig is overperforming rn. If you nerf PAK howitzer, you should do the same with Leig. Or leave them both alone, depending on general power creep in the game.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2019, 21:20 PMLoopDloop

True. I'm just saying they do work really well against pack howies, and it's very doable in teamgames (where pack howies are especially gross, like you said).

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2019, 21:20 PMLoopDloop

And you've still got other (less ideal) counters for it at least; you've got mortars as ost and leigs as okw. If you want to experience actual uncounterable indirect fire try being brits vs double leig lmao.

Jump back to quoted post11 Aug 2019, 21:44 PMSuperHansFan

That's because Ostheer have the brumbar in the same tier that can cause a whole lot more damage vs infantry yet still hard counter ATGs and other teamweapons as the werfer does.

Panther isn't really anymore harder to get than a comet. And the comet is trash, we need to end this "ost t4 is never used" argument. Because panther are built a lot, it's just 1vs1 naturally produces medium tank spam to apply pressure

Jump back to quoted post13 Aug 2019, 15:34 PMFarlion

People complain about Pak Howie being strong against Wehrmacht, and there's people who actually reply with "Well, yeah, but Stuka kills it in one hit!"

This forum sometimes.