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Change AT gun stealth to a passive?
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Lago
16 Apr 2019, 16:10 PM
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Proposal
  • Remove the stealth toggle from all anti-tank guns.
  • The anti-tank gun cloaks automatically when out of combat and stationary.


This has two effects.

Firstly, stealthed AT guns are much less frustrating to use. The stealth toggle is incompatible with the shift-queue, so you have to tell the AT gun where to go, wait for it to lug itself over there then issue the stealth order. Got other squads to micro? You've either got to leave it uncloaked or it'll take a couple of years to get over there.

With passive cloaking, you tell it where to set up, it'll go over there uncloaked and then cloak itself. You only need to issue one order, like a normal anti-tank gun. No babysitting required.

Secondly, stealthed AT guns are less frustrating to play against because there's no more stealth creeping. If they're moving, they're visible.
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jagd wölfe
16 Apr 2019, 16:19 PM
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TRANSLATION: "Nerf Raketen Camo"
https://www.coh2.org/ladders/playercard/steamid/76561198119448887

jump backJump back to quoted post23 Jul 2021, 07:47 AMKatitof

They certainly hide from me.
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ElSlayer
16 Apr 2019, 16:21 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Apr 2019, 16:19 PMjagd wölfe
TRANSLATION: "Nerf Raketen Camo"

REEEEEEEEEEE

And just in case you forgot - raketen is not the only AT gun with stealth.
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jagd wölfe
16 Apr 2019, 16:28 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Apr 2019, 16:21 PMElSlayer

REEEEEEEEEEE

Just in case you forgot - raketen is not the only AT gun with stealth.


No, is the only one stock or with stock stealth.

Camoed zis lose nothing out of this change it will be just better to micro. 45mm is doctrinal and penals are still a much better at counter.

Meanwhile raketen is the only thing keeping vehicle at bay up to puma or even Panzer 4. Litterally the only at counter for 7 to 9 minutes. If you can't see the difference and realize where's the nerf you are totally mindfucked
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Jul 2021, 07:47 AMKatitof

They certainly hide from me.
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distrofio
16 Apr 2019, 16:28 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Apr 2019, 16:21 PMElSlayer

REEEEEEEEEEE

And just in case you forgot - raketen is not the only AT gun with stealth.

Name one besides raketen?
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jagd wölfe
16 Apr 2019, 16:33 PM
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"OKW doesn't need double shreck, it has raketen"

"Nerf raketen Opie Opie"

Wtf
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Jul 2021, 07:47 AMKatitof

They certainly hide from me.
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distrofio
16 Apr 2019, 16:35 PM
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I really like the proposal, but its fair to say not all ATG have camo and this will make all of them able to.

A few exceptions to name and i consider important:
-ATG standing still but not stationed shouldnt cloak
-negative cover denies cloak (because of common sense)
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ElSlayer
16 Apr 2019, 16:36 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Apr 2019, 16:28 PMdistrofio

Name one besides raketen?

ZiS-3

jump backJump back to quoted post16 Apr 2019, 16:35 PMdistrofio
I really like the proposal, but its fair to say not all ATG have camo and this will make all of them able to.

A few exceptions to name and i consider important:
-ATG standing still but not stationed shouldnt cloak
-negative cover denies cloak (because of common sense)


Common sense tells me that it is quite hard for a group of 4 man to move AT gun in open field without being noticed.
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adamírcz
16 Apr 2019, 16:38 PM
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Yes

Ofc it needs to come with compensation buffs on raketten
"Nice. Very impressive. Now let´s see Paul Allen´s playercard."
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jagd wölfe
16 Apr 2019, 16:39 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Apr 2019, 16:36 PMElSlayer

ZiS-3


Zis-3 moves when cloaked ?
https://www.coh2.org/ladders/playercard/steamid/76561198119448887

jump backJump back to quoted post23 Jul 2021, 07:47 AMKatitof

They certainly hide from me.
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ElSlayer
16 Apr 2019, 16:50 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Apr 2019, 16:39 PMjagd wölfe


Zis-3 moves when cloaked ?

Haven't used it for some time, but last time I did - yes, it moved.
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distrofio
16 Apr 2019, 16:52 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Apr 2019, 16:36 PMElSlayer

ZiS-3

I was expecting a list by the tone of your argument and all i got was disappointment.
In case you forgot stock ZiS-3 dont have camo. Nice cherrypick.


Common sense tells me that it is quite hard for a group of 4 man to move AT gun in open field without being noticed.

Common sense is to use foliage and low stance to keep unnoticed, also worth mention, ATG were able to penetrate tanks at far distances (1km or so), so good luck noticing a 1m tall prop cannon at 1km or more.
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Lago
16 Apr 2019, 16:52 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Apr 2019, 16:35 PMdistrofio
I really like the proposal, but its fair to say not all ATG have camo and this will make all of them able to.

A few exceptions to name and i consider important:
-ATG standing still but not stationed shouldnt cloak
-negative cover denies cloak (because of common sense)


I'm not suggesting adding camo to all AT guns.

I'm suggesting changing how the camo on the ZiS, Raketenwerfer and M42 works to be much more pleasant to use.

I'm all for improving the base stats on the Raketenwerfer, but I prefer to focus threads on singular issues.
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