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Better AT Gun Camo

Change AT gun stealth to a passive?
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16 Apr 2019, 16:10 PM
#1
avatar of Lago

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Proposal
  • Remove the stealth toggle from all anti-tank guns.
  • The anti-tank gun cloaks automatically when out of combat and stationary.


This has two effects.

Firstly, stealthed AT guns are much less frustrating to use. The stealth toggle is incompatible with the shift-queue, so you have to tell the AT gun where to go, wait for it to lug itself over there then issue the stealth order. Got other squads to micro? You've either got to leave it uncloaked or it'll take a couple of years to get over there.

With passive cloaking, you tell it where to set up, it'll go over there uncloaked and then cloak itself. You only need to issue one order, like a normal anti-tank gun. No babysitting required.

Secondly, stealthed AT guns are less frustrating to play against because there's no more stealth creeping. If they're moving, they're visible.
16 Apr 2019, 16:19 PM
#2
avatar of jagd wölfe

Posts: 1660

TRANSLATION: "Nerf Raketen Camo"
16 Apr 2019, 16:21 PM
#3
avatar of ElSlayer

Posts: 1605 | Subs: 1

TRANSLATION: "Nerf Raketen Camo"

REEEEEEEEEEE

And just in case you forgot - raketen is not the only AT gun with stealth.
16 Apr 2019, 16:28 PM
#4
avatar of jagd wölfe

Posts: 1660


REEEEEEEEEEE

Just in case you forgot - raketen is not the only AT gun with stealth.


No, is the only one stock or with stock stealth.

Camoed zis lose nothing out of this change it will be just better to micro. 45mm is doctrinal and penals are still a much better at counter.

Meanwhile raketen is the only thing keeping vehicle at bay up to puma or even Panzer 4. Litterally the only at counter for 7 to 9 minutes. If you can't see the difference and realize where's the nerf you are totally mindfucked
16 Apr 2019, 16:28 PM
#5
avatar of distrofio

Posts: 2358


REEEEEEEEEEE

And just in case you forgot - raketen is not the only AT gun with stealth.

Name one besides raketen?
16 Apr 2019, 16:33 PM
#6
avatar of jagd wölfe

Posts: 1660

"OKW doesn't need double shreck, it has raketen"

"Nerf raketen Opie Opie"

Wtf
16 Apr 2019, 16:35 PM
#7
avatar of distrofio

Posts: 2358

I really like the proposal, but its fair to say not all ATG have camo and this will make all of them able to.

A few exceptions to name and i consider important:
-ATG standing still but not stationed shouldnt cloak
-negative cover denies cloak (because of common sense)
16 Apr 2019, 16:36 PM
#8
avatar of ElSlayer

Posts: 1605 | Subs: 1


Name one besides raketen?

ZiS-3

I really like the proposal, but its fair to say not all ATG have camo and this will make all of them able to.

A few exceptions to name and i consider important:
-ATG standing still but not stationed shouldnt cloak
-negative cover denies cloak (because of common sense)


Common sense tells me that it is quite hard for a group of 4 man to move AT gun in open field without being noticed.
16 Apr 2019, 16:38 PM
#9
avatar of adamírcz

Posts: 957

Yes

Ofc it needs to come with compensation buffs on raketten
16 Apr 2019, 16:39 PM
#10
avatar of jagd wölfe

Posts: 1660


ZiS-3


Zis-3 moves when cloaked ?
16 Apr 2019, 16:50 PM
#11
avatar of ElSlayer

Posts: 1605 | Subs: 1



Zis-3 moves when cloaked ?

Haven't used it for some time, but last time I did - yes, it moved.
16 Apr 2019, 16:52 PM
#12
avatar of distrofio

Posts: 2358


ZiS-3

I was expecting a list by the tone of your argument and all i got was disappointment.
In case you forgot stock ZiS-3 dont have camo. Nice cherrypick.


Common sense tells me that it is quite hard for a group of 4 man to move AT gun in open field without being noticed.

Common sense is to use foliage and low stance to keep unnoticed, also worth mention, ATG were able to penetrate tanks at far distances (1km or so), so good luck noticing a 1m tall prop cannon at 1km or more.
16 Apr 2019, 16:52 PM
#13
avatar of Lago

Posts: 3260

I really like the proposal, but its fair to say not all ATG have camo and this will make all of them able to.

A few exceptions to name and i consider important:
-ATG standing still but not stationed shouldnt cloak
-negative cover denies cloak (because of common sense)


I'm not suggesting adding camo to all AT guns.

I'm suggesting changing how the camo on the ZiS, Raketenwerfer and M42 works to be much more pleasant to use.

I'm all for improving the base stats on the Raketenwerfer, but I prefer to focus threads on singular issues.
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