its AOE its decent ? put E8 vs p4 vs infrantry and oyu will see or even with a panther (stop butchering english languege plz)
Then next time say that instead of butchering the English language.
Plus it's AOE is decient, what is the issue?
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22 Jan 2019, 17:26 PM
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22 Jan 2019, 17:37 PM
#42
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Using Cruzz's stat sheet, this is how the two guns stack up against each other.
The Panzer IV's main gun has a faster reload, a larger overall area of effect and a larger lethal area of effect (where it does 80 damage and therefore oneshots infantry models) than the Easy 8.
However, the scatter and moving accuracy of the E8 are better, so the E8's main gun is more accurate against infantry.
The Panzer IV's main gun has a faster reload, a larger overall area of effect and a larger lethal area of effect (where it does 80 damage and therefore oneshots infantry models) than the Easy 8.
However, the scatter and moving accuracy of the E8 are better, so the E8's main gun is more accurate against infantry.
22 Jan 2019, 17:37 PM
#43
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its AOE its decent ? put E8 vs p4 vs infrantry and oyu will see or even with a panther (stop butchering english languege plz)
Put E8 vs p4 vs a tank with any semblance of armour.
Furthermore p4 has 2.5 AOE with 6.5 scatter and e8 has 2 AOE with 5 scatter. Stop using "alternative facts" when saying E8 has bad AOE.
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22 Jan 2019, 17:47 PM
#44
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Put E8 vs p4 vs a tank with any semblance of armour.
Furthermore p4 has 2.5 AOE with 6.5 scatter and e8 has 2 AOE with 5 scatter. Stop using "alternative facts" when saying E8 has bad AOE.
Thank you for the comparison. Offhand do you know how that compares to Comet's performance vs. Infantry? The point of my suggestion is to see if people like the idea of (just spitballing) an Easy 8 that had a P4's performance vs. Infantry at say 160 or 165 fuel? The cost of course being subject to performance as a fairly beefy all-rounder. I realize of course that a re-hauled Rifle Company would mean that the Easy 8 wouldn't have to be super buffed to be an attractive commander but with Revamps being very infrequent I just wanted to float the idea of a re-balanced Easy 8 in the new commander as a way to indirectly help Rifle Company as well vs. turning this into another theoretical Rifle Company revamp thread.
22 Jan 2019, 17:51 PM
#45
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Let me say this E8 mid and long range has chances to bounce p4 even from OST p4 armour like 180 armour p4 ez pen 200/165/155 it bounces still and E8 rate of fire is so parthetic not even killing infrantry and dont get me even started with OKW p4 234 armour faster relaod and more AOE
Put E8 vs p4 vs a tank with any semblance of armour.
Furthermore p4 has 2.5 AOE with 6.5 scatter and e8 has 2 AOE with 5 scatter. Stop using "alternative facts" when saying E8 has bad AOE.
22 Jan 2019, 19:01 PM
#46
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lol what are u on ?
Put E8 vs p4 vs a tank with any semblance of armour.
Furthermore p4 has 2.5 AOE with 6.5 scatter and e8 has 2 AOE with 5 scatter. Stop using "alternative facts" when saying E8 has bad AOE.
P4 has 6,2 aoe and the way 8 has 6.5 , what u saw was the near aoe not the full one
Less scatter = better chance to hit
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22 Jan 2019, 19:19 PM
#47
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Let me say this E8 mid and long range has chances to bounce p4
What exactly is your point? The P4 Can bounce off of m36s does that mean the m36 has high armour?
even from OST p4 armour like 180 armour p4 ez pen 200/165/155 it bounces still and E8 rate of fire is so parthetic not even killing infrantry and dont get me even started with OKW p4 234 armour faster relaod and more AOE
Ok lets do some math then.
e8 vs OST p4: 155/180 = 86%
e8 vs OKW p4: 155/234 = 66%
p4 vs e8: 110/215 = 51%
Much wow. Looking at the stats it seems that the e8 has much better chances to penetrate, isn't it weird how looking at the stats can disprove the idea that because something can deflect a shot doesn't mean that's a probable occurrence.
FYI the reload comparison is 5.3/5.7 vs 6/6.6 which isn't that large of a difference.
Thank you for the comparison. Offhand do you know how that compares to Comet's performance vs. Infantry?
Comet has 2.5 AOE, but it a worse AOE Profile than the p4 and 7.5 scatter angle. You can find further information here: https://www.coh2db.com/stats/#56
lol what are u on ?
P4 has 6,2 aoe and the way 8 has 6.5 , what u saw was the near aoe not the full one
Less scatter = better chance to hit
Im getting my stats from coh2db.com/stats.
There it lists p4 having 2.5 AOE with 6.5 scatter angle and the e8 has 2.0 AOE with 5 scatter angle. Where are you getting your info?
For the record I was looking at OKWs p4. OST p4 has a 2.5 AOE and 7.5 scatter.
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22 Jan 2019, 19:31 PM
#48
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From the moment that you SAID p4 110 pen i know you dont know a damn about the LATESTS stats and the game conversation closed
What exactly is your point? The P4 Can bounce off of m36s does that mean the m36 has high armour?
Ok lets do some math then.
e8 vs OST p4: 155/180 = 86%
e8 vs OKW p4: 155/234 = 66%
p4 vs e8: 110/215 = 51%
Much wow. Looking at the stats it seems that the e8 has much better chances to penetrate, isn't it weird how looking at the stats can disprove the idea that because something can deflect a shot doesn't mean that's a probable occurrence.
FYI the reload comparison is 5.3/5.7 vs 6/6.6 which isn't that large of a difference.
Comet has 2.5 AOE, but it a worse AOE Profile than the p4 and 7.5 scatter angle. You can find further information here: https://www.coh2db.com/stats/#56
Im getting my stats from coh2db.com/stats.
There it lists p4 having 2.5 AOE with 6.5 scatter angle and the e8 has 2.0 AOE with 5 scatter angle. Where are you getting your info?
For the record I was looking at OKWs p4. OST p4 has a 2.5 AOE and 7.5 scatter.
22 Jan 2019, 19:37 PM
#49
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From the moment that you SAID p4 110 pen i know you dont know a damn about the LATESTS stats and the game conversation closed
That's the Panzer IV's far penetration.
22 Jan 2019, 19:42 PM
#50
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SAME SITE BUT TO CHECK THE AOE u need to hover over the yellow point in the graf
Im getting my stats from coh2db.com/stats.
There it lists p4 having 2.5 AOE with 6.5 scatter angle and the e8 has 2.0 AOE with 5 scatter angle. Where are you getting your info?
For the record I was looking at OKWs p4. OST p4 has a 2.5 AOE and 7.5 scatter.
it's 6,3 p4 and 6,8 e8 and as i said lower scatter means better
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22 Jan 2019, 19:53 PM
#51
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From the moment that you SAID p4 110 pen i know you dont know a damn about the LATESTS stats and the game conversation closed
Lol wat?
"How dare you quote the numbers of the game at me"
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22 Jan 2019, 19:55 PM
#52
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SAME SITE BUT TO CHECK THE AOE u need to hover over the yellow point in the graf
it's 6,3 p4 and 6,8 e8 and as i said lower scatter means better
I don't think that's true, hovering over it lists it as having an AOE of 8.4, so I have no idea how that is calculated. I think I'll stick to the listed numbers below.
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22 Jan 2019, 19:56 PM
#53
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I'm quite sure that the circle is the actual AOE u can check it by using artillery
I don't think that's true, hovering over it lists it as having an AOE of 8.4, so I have no idea how that is calculated. I think I'll stick to the listed numbers below.
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23 Jan 2019, 12:42 PM
#54
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ik but that dude says that 110 is the max one
That's the Panzer IV's far penetration.
23 Jan 2019, 12:43 PM
#55
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i am not even going to correct you just for you to search the real p4 pen
Lol wat?
"How dare you quote the numbers of the game at me"
23 Jan 2019, 16:33 PM
#56
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i am not even going to correct you just for you to search the real p4 pen
Which is 110 at far range? Would you prefer to bring up that's it has ~125 pen at near range which is pritty unrealistic for a tank fight and the E8 has a much higher pen increase from far to near as well.
Are you just trying to find a minuscule error so that you can pretend that you are not saying things that are demonstrably false.
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23 Jan 2019, 16:38 PM
#57
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Which is 110 at far range? Would you prefer to bring up that's it has ~125 pen at near range which is pritty unrealistic for a tank fight and the E8 has a much higher pen increase from far to near as well.
Are you just trying to find a minuscule error so that you can pretend that you are not saying things that are demonstrably false.[/quotealright i thouth you put the max pen of p4 vs min pen or E8 E8 is a commadner unit it sohuld be better than default we can settle this 1v1 when EVER you want 1v1 me
23 Jan 2019, 16:47 PM
#58
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alright i thouth you put the max pen of p4 vs min pen or E8 E8 is a commadner unit it sohuld be better than default we can settle this 1v1 when EVER you want 1v1 me
Which is 110 at far range? Would you prefer to bring up that's it has ~125 pen at near range which is pritty unrealistic for a tank fight and the E8 has a much higher pen increase from far to near as well.
Are you just trying to find a minuscule error so that you can pretend that you are not saying things that are demonstrably false.
I clearly both compared the far penetration.
And how is a 1v1 supposed to prove anything? This isn't medieval Germany where a trial by combat proves by god who is right.
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23 Jan 2019, 16:58 PM
#59
Posts: 464
what ever ok let us both stick with our own opinions
I clearly both compared the far penetration.
And how is a 1v1 supposed to prove anything? This isn't medieval Germany where a trial by combat proves by god who is right.
23 Jan 2019, 17:28 PM
#60
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ik but that dude says that 110 is the max one
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