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Rifle Co. is now obsolete

16 Dec 2018, 04:18 AM
#21
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Dec 2018, 03:23 AMddd
Even when jackson and 76 were trash nobody was using rifle company after easy8 stopped being callin. All abillities in this doctrine are bad and powercreep has nothing to do with it.


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16 Dec 2018, 05:16 AM
#22
avatar of blancat

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They abandoned shitty trash commanders(tactical surrender, not for "rifle" company, airborne company) for next "contents"

6 month later or 1 years later we can see them "revamped"

so forget them and just dont use

17 Dec 2018, 05:34 AM
#23
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Compare Sherman 76C and E8
Health 640 - 720
Armor 160/80 -215/95 (better protection form PShecrk and Pz4)
Speed 6.5 -6.4
Cost 380/125 - 380/140
overall get better durable by 15 fuel

Next main cannon 76mm 76mm(HVAP) 76mm(E8)
Damage 160
Penetration (min-max)
120-140/165-220 /155-200
Acc 0.025-0.05/0.035-0.06/0.025-0.05
Reload 4.1-4.5/ 6.1/ 6.1-6.6
AOE 2 /0.25/2
moving acc 0.75 All (Sherman 75 mm have this stats too)
In summany 76mmHVAP overall is better expect Anti Infantry power

IMO I suggest 2 option
1 nerf Moving acc to 0.5 point (with sherman 75 mm too)
moving acc 0.75 should be unique stats for E8 (Pershing have 0.75 too)
2 If E8 should have more Anti infantry Option I Suggest white phosphorus round like comet Tank for Deny AT gun or blob
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And Rifle company ability
some commander ability merge IN Revamp in 12 dec 2018 patch should Merge Flare and Fire up good idea ? and get more ability (M1919A6 ?)
17 Dec 2018, 13:15 PM
#24
avatar of FelixTHM

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It IS power creep. The new 76mm Sherman is absurd and makes the EZ8 look uncompetitive. The EZ8 was already a pretty good generalist tank similar to the T34-85, with less AI power but better armour and pen than the T34-85. Its stats were MUCH better than a regular Sherman's, which made it a very feasible option. The EZ8 was already pretty good, but you won't ever choose "pretty good" when you can get the best damn tank in the game, along with sandbags and smoke and Rangers.

The fact that the 76C Sherman got buffed so much makes the EZ8 look bad, and REs no longer have a monopoly on flamers, so that's the whole point Shadowlink was making.

Rifle Co wasn't popular because it only had 2 abilities, both of which were pretty good - RE Flamers and Ez8s. If you want to look at doctrines that have been in A++ tier since forever, Guard Motor, Spec Ops, Heavy Cav come to mind. The commonality between them is that many/most of the abilities range from pretty good to downright insane.

Rifle Co isn't the problem - power creep is. Nerfing all the overperforming doctrines will do better for balance and variety than the constant cycle of buffing things to "keep up with the Joneses".
17 Dec 2018, 13:41 PM
#25
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EZ8 is still easier to use and more reliable all-rounder.
New 76mm is pretty much squishy T3 panther.
Rifle company is irrelevant and obsolete for longer then a year now, but EZ8 is not the reason for it, it just offers completely nothing to rifles.
18 Dec 2018, 15:01 PM
#26
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Dec 2018, 13:41 PMKatitof
EZ8 is still easier to use and more reliable all-rounder.
New 76mm is pretty much squishy T3 panther.
Rifle company is irrelevant and obsolete for longer then a year now, but EZ8 is not the reason for it, it just offers completely nothing to rifles.


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Maybe they should just re-do all commanders. Give them X points and fill according to.
"Make all commanders equally desirable"

... Well, should make USF and Germans identical, then.
wandererraven just proposed to make all USF tanks have .5 accuracy on the move, like Germans.
That way, no one could complain if everything was the same, right?

Just... one... all unit commanders for everyone, and all factions :)

As for Rifle Co. ... It doesn't offer anything to Rifles.
And with a lot of others (Pz.Gren!!) having hurrah and what not with no downsides...
Fire Up! Is more of a strong nerf than a buff.
18 Dec 2018, 15:28 PM
#27
avatar of Esxile

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White phosphorus barrage on Axis position with a bunch of EZ8 to push still has its good effect.
Now removing FireUp downside effect should make the commander much more appealing.
19 Dec 2018, 23:17 PM
#28
avatar of What Doth Life?!
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jump backJump back to quoted post18 Dec 2018, 15:28 PMEsxile
White phosphorus barrage on Axis position with a bunch of EZ8 to push still has its good effect.
Now removing FireUp downside effect should make the commander much more appealing.


If nothing else, this is the buff it needs. Maybe give Rifles back their smoke grenades in this doc or some other arbitrary little buff like improved vision in cover that Recon Co. used to have or Riflemen Field Defenses.
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