"balancing" discussions are ALL pointless

Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2018, 14:53 PMLeOverlord

This is why i don't want to have any kind of advice or conversation with "pros". Everything comes around "learning to play"

Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2018, 17:08 PMLoopDloop

A lot of it really does though. And that’s an area pros are very useful in giving advice. It astounds me that there’s so much hostility towards the opinions of the people who are objectively the best in the world at this game as a whole.

Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2018, 14:53 PMLeOverlord

This is why i don't want to have any kind of advice or conversation with "pros". Everything comes around "learning to play"

This is how you teach/advise someone. Does this thing exist in this forum? No, not at all.

Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2018, 18:34 PMelchino7

"Pro caster", not pro player. I do enjoy his videos but there should be a reminder that the channel is called PROPAGANDAcast for a reason.



https://www.coh2.org/forum/2/state-office

Shame that most REAL pro players have already burn out through out the years.

Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2018, 18:00 PMLeOverlord

There's a reason people are hostile towards them. Give advice, do it in a gentle manner. When you go to get a job, the boss doesn't tell you "learn how to work". He TEACHES you. He's there to answer your questions, help you do something a little bit better than you previously did. This is how you teach/advise someone. Does this thing exist in this forum? No, not at all.

I don't degrade Imperial Dane and every Imperial Dane when i say i don't like him. I don't like his attitude, i never questioned his ability as a player. I have watched his streams and i like how he plays (his playstyle as Wehr is what i want to deal with when i play games, not the irritating MG spam i see in my rank). But when he starts the shit about balance, i really wish i could punch him in the face.

Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2018, 14:53 PMLeOverlord

This is why i don't want to have any kind of advice or conversation with "pros". Everything comes around "learning to play"

Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2018, 19:59 PMTheGentlemenTroll

I'd hardly call Dane a pro, hes a uber axis bias player that cries foul whenever his opponent bests him, usually not blaming himself or saying his opponent beat him. Say something like "The old OKW KT win button was broken and deserved to be nerfed." and he delivers you a perma ban.

Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2018, 20:25 PMShadowLinkX37

How dare you insult the old the KT!!!111!!!1! USF FANBOI!!!!111!!

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Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2018, 18:58 PMsluzbenik

Not a surprise given how many crazy changes the game has gone through. People get sicking of #adapting.

I played COH1 from very early on, I sort of remember one major patch that changed the game pre PE but that was only once, and it was nothing like the constant relearning you have to do with COH2 every patch. The game probably could have kept more people if it wasn't for that, every time I've come back it's always "wtf is going on now?" Hard to keep even casuals...

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2018, 03:01 AMelchino7

Not talking about "pros" playing the game, more so of people who were a joy to discuss with. People who contribute to the game, even if just by discussing matters in a constructive way.

Regarding the retention of players, i'll say i have to disagree. Just take a look https://steamcharts.com/app/231430#All

This is the only reason we still have any kind of resemble of support whatsoever after 5 years. ANY game would love to have similar player retention throughout time.

Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2018, 19:29 PMLoopDloop

Unlike your boss, they have no obligation to you at all and if you go around insulting them, righteously or not, they’re probably not going to have the best/most useful attitude towards you either. I’ve personally only really had positive interactions with top players, probably because I don’t go around bitching that the pros only go around abusing stats or don’t actually know what they’re doing among other things.

Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2018, 19:59 PMTheGentlemenTroll

I'd hardly call Dane a pro, hes a uber axis bias player that cries foul whenever his opponent bests him, usually not blaming himself or saying his opponent beat him. Say something like "The old OKW KT win button was broken and deserved to be nerfed." and he delivers you a perma ban.

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2018, 10:37 AMLeOverlord

I never went around insulting them, even though i hate their attitude. I really respect and admire D0ggy because when i needed help, he gave me advice and was gentle.

Jump back to quoted post3 Oct 2018, 08:41 AMLoopDloop

Wow I wonder what happened in December of last year though. 16,000 peak players lol was DBP really that good?

Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2018, 18:58 PMsluzbenik

Not a surprise given how many crazy changes the game has gone through. People get sicking of #adapting.

I played COH1 from very early on, I sort of remember one major patch that changed the game pre PE but that was only once, and it was nothing like the constant relearning you have to do with COH2 every patch. The game probably could have kept more people if it wasn't for that, every time I've come back it's always "wtf is going on now?" Hard to keep even casuals...

Jump back to quoted post4 Oct 2018, 01:47 AMLoopDloop

Seems like an unfair stereotyped view of the pros then, doesn't it?

They don't really have much in common as a group other than their skill level; it's not like they're some sort of tight-knit special interest group or something.

Jump back to quoted post2 Oct 2018, 19:59 PMTheGentlemenTroll

I'd hardly call Dane a pro, hes a uber axis bias player that cries foul whenever his opponent bests him, usually not blaming himself or saying his opponent beat him. Say something like "The old OKW KT win button was broken and deserved to be nerfed." and he delivers you a perma ban.

Jump back to quoted post4 Oct 2018, 14:11 PMGrim

I'm not really clued up on players and streamers but is he the one with that German accent?

Jump back to quoted post4 Oct 2018, 12:43 PMLeOverlord

Then i'm wondering why the majority of the community agrees that some pros are totally toxic.