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and the puma may have less accuracy but is faster has a turret and can rapid smoke encircle targets... pretty good in its role as a finisher tank to kill those stragglers
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It simply does not. It perform very good for price, tech cost and Pop.
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the similarly priced puma counters light vehicles better and is a great finisher against damaged tanks... if a light TD is the role of an SU-76 then the puma does its job better....
it has worse range yes... but is faster has a turret has smoke and fires faster.... did i mention smoke?
and of course as anti infantry its fellow light tanks do a better job at that... paying 35 muni to counter infantry which can simply move out of the way (except a weapon team) is a high price to pay...
if the barrage were to be free then yes the worse AT capabilities would be offset by the free barrage... but as it stands 35 muni for a barrage just sucks
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the similarly priced puma counters light vehicles better and is a great finisher against damaged tanks... if a light TD is the role of an SU-76 then the puma does its job better....
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puma? well..its its not that really god hunting unit like you want to tell us.
yesterday: it misses 4 (four) times in a row hunting a su76 on mid and near range!...WTF!
do you wanna talk about bad accu? and puma cost 50% more fuel, cant barrage, has not 60range...
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Once more check stat before posting:
Su-76
cost 280/75
Penetration 180/190/200
Range 60
Puma
320/70
Penetration
Penetration 80/120/160
Range 50
Su-76 has more than double penetration far and more penetration far than puma has close, it can not barrage and has higher XP value.
SU-76 is simply a cost efficient unit.
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tested on cheatmod II
average kill time at range 50
puma vs T-70 and SU-76 vs T-70
21.996...........34.867
21.828...........13.604
17.051...........1:17.723 (yes 1 minute)
17.708...........56.155
the puma is clearly superior at killing light vehicles to the SU-76 when firing at range 50
Posts: 1979
If only Su-76 had to fight a T-70.
Now do the same test 100 times and you will see that this RNG. Su-76 has simply better accuracy.
Su-76 is simply a cost efficient unit.
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do u have the accuracy stats of both units?
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and what about the rate of fire and damage?... btw whats ur source coh2.hu has been down since forever already...
Posts: 1979
get cruzz's or firespr's files, they are at their signature.
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is there a search function for the forums?... also whats the pumas stats overall contrasted to the SU-76... so far tests have shown that the puma is at an advantage... it seems to fire slightly faster aswell
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tested on cheatmod II
average kill time at range 50
puma vs T-70 and SU-76 vs T-70
4 tests done on semi flat terrain... both tanks firing at the same target location from the same firing point... all debris cleared...
21.996...........34.867
21.828...........13.604
17.051...........1:17.723 (yes 1 minute)
17.708...........56.155
the puma is clearly superior at killing light vehicles to the SU-76 when firing at range 50
Posts: 1979
and now test this at range 60.
and now test the su and the puma vs infantery blobbs and teamweapons.
and come back with your enlightings.
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1. at range 60 the puma cant fire back... though the SU-76 is not going to hit jack shit either.. the puma has a turret and is faster though and can disable the SU-76 at vet 1 and has smoke... and is cheaper by 5 fuel.. did i mention smoke?
2. without a 35 muni ability? the puma... it has a machinegun and actually kills models on occasion with its 50mm... with its abilities yes the SU-76 is better... but then the puma has abilities of its own that make it lethal to tanks...
Posts: 1979
1. See? the su will win any engagements at this range and can even outrange the expansiver stug3.
so it can fire from save place without needing high healt pool or armor.
and its pene vaulue is high enough to deal with medium armor well. even on max range.
2. and the abilty from puma is costfree?
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+1
Of the few things I agree with Zero with, this is one of them.
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1. at range 60 the puma cant fire back... though the SU-76 is not going to hit jack shit either.. the puma has a turret and is faster though and can disable the SU-76 at vet 1 and has smoke... and is cheaper by 5 fuel.. did i mention smoke?
2. without a 35 muni ability? the puma... it has a machinegun and actually kills models on occasion with its 50mm... with its abilities yes the SU-76 is better... but then the puma has abilities of its own that make it lethal to tanks...
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the SU-76s biggest flaw imho is not the lack of the turret or the paper armor but rather the inaccuracy... its speed and range compensate for the lack of turret and the paper thing armor...
but the lack of accuracy renders its gun nearly useless at long range... and vulnerable at close range... and a properly supported SU-76 is gonna have trouble hitting the panzer 4 even with an AT nade... at which point it becomes redundant... too inaccurate to hit anything... too expensive a barrage ability... tries to be a jack of all trades... but fails badly...
The barrage is just extra And to be honest, I wouldn't be that bothered if they removed it entirely even without compensating buffs
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