GCS2 Barbarossa faction win rate

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2018, 18:53 PMzarok47

That raises an interesting point, is a weak UK show becuase it's actually weak or does nobody good play UK because they think it weak and therefor creating a weak show?

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2018, 22:04 PMShadowLinkX37

All in the quali tourney? If so then obviously the stats in OP are incorrect. Which then nullifies all of his information.

I also don't have a doubt that brits are in a poor position currently though. But that position seems to only be poor vs Ostheer. OKW seems to struggle significantly more vs brits than ostheer.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2018, 05:24 AMFiresparks

OKW : UKF = 7:1

this means that OKW won seven times against the UKF, while the UKF won once. How does this suggest OKW struggle against british?

Look at the other match up:

OKW : SOV = 6:10
OKW : UKF = 7:1
OKW : USF = 3:2

The OKW basically struggle against the soviet, but still managed to trash the UKF consistently.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2018, 05:24 AMFiresparks

this is just Begging the question. You're assuming the brit is secretly OP and figuring out how to warp the evidence.



OKW : UKF = 7:1

this means that OKW won seven times against the UKF, while the UKF won once. How does this suggest OKW struggle against british?

Look at the other match up:

OKW : SOV = 6:10
OKW : UKF = 7:1
OKW : USF = 3:2

The OKW basically struggle against the soviet, but still managed to trash the UKF consistently.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2018, 18:42 PMJae For Jett

I'm interested in the context: who played each faction?

Generally, you would assume that whoever has the higher seed would win and get a W for their faction, so if all of the high seeds are playing ostheer, you would assume ostheer would have higher win rates.

If I recall, every semi finalist played ostheer and soviets (with vonivan having that one OKW game).

For the really concerning 7:1 okw vs ukf matchup, I would assume that its a mix of UKF's balance state, small sample size, and possibly lower seeds playing UKF. I know personally that my first round opponent played UKF for two games.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2018, 22:04 PMShadowLinkX37

All in the quali tourney? If so then obviously the stats in OP are incorrect. Which then nullifies all of his information.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2018, 14:21 PMShadowLinkX37

Furthermore as I responded to Cruzz, if all of the games he stated were part of the quali tourney (4 of them), and the stats only post 3, then who knows what other kinds of mistake this post has. I don't know the OP, nor do I know of him.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2018, 14:53 PMYossarian

Please elaborate what is an error. I would like to fix if there is any.

Luvnest played Brits on a very good map for Brits (crossing in the woods) against Talisman's OKW and lost.

Refero (#1 Brit on ladder) played 3 games as Brits against CreativeName's OST(1 game) and Noggano OKW(2 games) and lost all of them.

Must be the players and not the faction.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2018, 15:02 PMShadowLinkX37

Cruzz stated 4 games where UKF was played here, however only 3 appear in your stats. I asked cruzz if all these games were in the tourney and he didn't respond.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2018, 15:07 PMYossarian

Stats have 10 UKF games and Cruzz only mentioned a part of them.

Jump back to quoted post19 Jun 2018, 19:47 PMCruzz

Luvnest played Brits on a very good map for Brits (crossing in the woods) against Talisman's OKW and lost.

Refero (#1 Brit on ladder) played 3 games as Brits against CreativeName's OST(1 game) and Noggano OKW(2 games) and lost all of them.

Must be the players and not the faction.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2018, 05:24 AMFiresparks

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2018, 16:37 PMsiddolio

As an aside if people could actually identify the reasons they lost a game instead of diving straight into i lost because of balance you might be able to talk about how aids UKF are in a productive way.

Lads its coming home

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2018, 16:15 PM|GB| The Hooligan486

Imma just say, just bcs nobody plays brits this doesnt mean that brits are bad. It just means that sov and usf have more op strats atm. You see some okw players playing ost now, just bcs of how good mobile defensive is.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jun 2018, 16:35 PMsiddolio

UKF being bad is indicative of the overarching theme of how things are balanced by Mr Smith, you cant just nerf the things UKF crutch on forever patch after patch but he hates the faction and has 0 leeway to actually change how units/factions work so any push for things being buffed he says "we dont want 'x' Brit meta to come back" but still has to nerf whatever the fotm crutch is.

People at Relic like Duffy would have to swallow their pride and let things like Mortar Pit be locked behind commanders or taken out of the game so that you have space to make Brits perform consistently.

The games obviously being balanced to try make so that every faction is competent at playing multiple different ways but Brits straight up doesnt have access to the same types of units as every other faction so you get gimpy shit like Bolster never getting touched while all their tanks and off-maps have been consistently nerfed instead of just making Brits 'fit' in to the game and letting them have snares/mortar/movingaccuracy etc.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jun 2018, 02:31 AMCieZ

Give a snare when you research Brit nades, even if it’s something low range like the PTRS penal satchel.

Remove mortar pit and give them some real indirect fire to help against MGs.

Slightly buff Comet again.

Other than that I think Brits aren’t as bad as people think. Sections are great, UC is good, AEC is good, 6 pounder is insane, Vickers is good, sniper is fine, etc. It’s really just the lack of snare and lack of ability to dislodge MGs since sections suck at flanking and commandos are doctrinal.

Edit: I think every faction should have access to some form of flamer engineer, mines, AT gun, and mortar outside of commanders since these are such core components of the game.