StuG like youve never StuGd before. That's all wehrmacht/ostheer has ever had. They haven't been able to scale into the lategame since at least brits (9/2015). None of the patches since have actually tried to address this. (Tech costs, adjusting doctrinal units and panthers have only avoided the issue.)
The point is of course the later factions usf and ukf have units and mechanics that trounce what ostheer can provide. Same has always been true for SOV v OKW.
Firefly and Jackson are too good
15 May 2018, 17:49 PM
#41
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15 May 2018, 18:20 PM
#42
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Stugs and JP4s.
15 May 2018, 18:35 PM
#43
Posts: 1740
the aec would stunshot one stug, outmanourver the other and kill it and than kill the other stug...and would dmg a p4 to half health
???!!!
It is though God by command has withdrawn every other throne.
And God is saying 'No. These people will deal with me alone.'
And God is saying 'No. These people will deal with me alone.'
15 May 2018, 19:09 PM
#44
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Jackson is good.
Firefly has cheese, but it's not as good vanilla.
But neither stands up against cost efficiency and RoF of the Stug. Stug is love, stug is ife.
OKW is rolling with light vehicles AI or/and then transitioning to PIVs and JPIVs.
Firefly has cheese, but it's not as good vanilla.
But neither stands up against cost efficiency and RoF of the Stug. Stug is love, stug is ife.
OKW is rolling with light vehicles AI or/and then transitioning to PIVs and JPIVs.
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
15 May 2018, 19:12 PM
#45
Posts: 2066
Jackson only becomes a problem when you face 2 or more. A well micro'd p4 can take on a Jackson lol.
Kappa
15 May 2018, 19:15 PM
#46
Posts: 808
Jackson is already getting nerfed and the firefly is in no way OP, if anything the FF needs a slight cost reduction
15 May 2018, 19:58 PM
#47
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Firefly and Jackson TDs are too good. Don't the Germans have any tank destroyer with the same range as these tanks?
I'm all for historical accuracy but maybe Germans need a tank destroyer with long range? Is the Elephant such a tank?
JgTiger has *MORE* range than allied TDs.
Also, StuG in Hulldown has *MORE* range than allied TDs.
But don't worry, soon allied TDs will be gone from the game.
Then we'll finally have a balance game
Rejoice!And, yea, look it up. StuIIIG in Hulldown really has more range than any allied TD
(And JgTiger too!)
Elefant, I don't know. It's either equal, or more range.
PS: You can put Elefant in hulldown. WAY WAY WAY more range.
Also Pak43 has more range.
And then there is...
People complain the Soviets are useless.
Well, they are useless if you fight your units 1vs1. But they are all about Synergy.
What do I care if you have a Panther? Once you are crippled from running over a mine
I wait until you repair it with your 3x SturmPioneers and tell my 3x Mortars to fire at it.
did you know Vet 1 Mortars get FLARE?!
- 900 Manpower down the drain. - Panther still can't move worth a damn.
Well, they are useless if you fight your units 1vs1. But they are all about Synergy.
What do I care if you have a Panther? Once you are crippled from running over a mine
I wait until you repair it with your 3x SturmPioneers and tell my 3x Mortars to fire at it.
did you know Vet 1 Mortars get FLARE?!
- 900 Manpower down the drain. - Panther still can't move worth a damn.
15 May 2018, 21:05 PM
#48
Posts: 1740
JgTiger has *MORE* range than allied TDs.
Also, StuG in Hulldown has *MORE* range than allied TDs.
But don't worry, soon allied TDs will be gone from the game.
Then we'll finally have a balance game
And, yea, look it up. StuIIIG in Hulldown really has more range than any allied TD
(And JgTiger too!)
Elefant, I don't know. It's either equal, or more range.
PS: You can put Elefant in hulldown. WAY WAY WAY more range.
Also Pak43 has more range.
And then there is...
While I am on the Axis side here, putting a StuG or an Elefant in hull down is probably not the best idea as the cannot turn their turrets.
It is though God by command has withdrawn every other throne.
And God is saying 'No. These people will deal with me alone.'
And God is saying 'No. These people will deal with me alone.'
15 May 2018, 21:22 PM
#49
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While I am on the Axis side here, putting a StuG or an Elefant in hull down is probably not the best idea as the cannot turn their turrets.
Put the ostheer panther in hulldown = God's Hammer. 62.5 range, 4 second reload. Defensive bonus damage reduction. This unit and this unit alone is probably the reason we're going to see the hulldown rework. Because the panther is starting to be reworked into a suitable state of current TDs.
Only problem is teching t4 in 1v1
15 May 2018, 21:25 PM
#50
Posts: 3260
I think the Ostwind was the unit cited for Hull Down losing its RoF bonuses.
The range bonuses remain: apparently they weren't included in offensive buffs.
The range bonuses remain: apparently they weren't included in offensive buffs.
15 May 2018, 21:27 PM
#51
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I think the Ostwind was the unit cited for Hull Down losing its RoF bonuses.
The range bonuses remain: apparently they weren't included in offensive buffs.
That's also probably true, so both can be the cause for the rework. How they ever determined "range" on the OFFENSIVE armament to be a defensive bonus is beyond me.
15 May 2018, 21:47 PM
#52
Posts: 2742
I find it kind of ridiculous that of all things in this game, it's hulldown that's being targeted.
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16 May 2018, 07:04 AM
#53
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I think the Ostwind was the unit cited for Hull Down losing its RoF bonuses.
The range bonuses remain: apparently they weren't included in offensive buffs.
OMG Yes. That was the way to show those filthy teabags how a Bofors feels
It is though God by command has withdrawn every other throne.
And God is saying 'No. These people will deal with me alone.'
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16 May 2018, 13:03 PM
#54
Posts: 117
Been experimenting with USF
Not gonna lie, major tech seems to slow me down. Like the major is good and all but why not just go for pershing call in.. or if you're not feeling like using this OP beast
Go for cheap m10 call'ins!
Honestly I feel the Jackson is more of a support/finisher rather than a 1v1 tank
Not gonna lie, major tech seems to slow me down. Like the major is good and all but why not just go for pershing call in.. or if you're not feeling like using this OP beast
Go for cheap m10 call'ins!
Honestly I feel the Jackson is more of a support/finisher rather than a 1v1 tank
16 May 2018, 13:15 PM
#55
Posts: 2742
OMG Yes. That was the way to show those filthy teabags how a Bofors feels
A bofors wipes a squad almost every volley. A hulldown ostwind most certainly does not. It suggest to wipe an idle squad sitting at range for a minute.
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16 May 2018, 17:39 PM
#56
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A bofors wipes a squad almost every volley. A hulldown ostwind most certainly does not. It suggest to wipe an idle squad sitting at range for a minute.
Calm down, it was a joke.
It is though God by command has withdrawn every other throne.
And God is saying 'No. These people will deal with me alone.'
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16 May 2018, 20:14 PM
#57
Posts: 52
Go for cheap m10 call'ins!
?
m10 is not a callin for a long time already
17 May 2018, 00:26 AM
#58
Posts: 2742
Calm down, it was a joke.
Wasn't exactly freaking out. I just remember testing the two after the recent ostwind changes were justifying the proposed nerf to hulldown.
I was kind of expecting to see Bofors performance out of the Ostwind and not, well, more of the same old marginal performance the Ostwind has always had.
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17 May 2018, 00:39 AM
#59
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Put the ostheer panther in hulldown = God's Hammer. 62.5 range, 4 second reload. Defensive bonus damage reduction. This unit and this unit alone is probably the reason we're going to see the hulldown rework. Because the panther is starting to be reworked into a suitable state of current TDs.
Only problem is teching t4 in 1v1
Why you would even build t4 when you can just spam more (somewhat nerfed) stugs is beyond me. Just make sure to keep a pfaust or some teller mines handy.
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17 May 2018, 00:42 AM
#60
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don't give relic ideas, UKF have already been gutted next patch.
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