AT infantry for OKW?

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2018, 06:01 AMdreamerdude

Honestly one shrek on your sturm squad is actually quite fine. as if you got two then you get super reps super fast, and this would be to powerful.
Two sturms are quite the investment but are worth it as well to push off mobilized assaults

Also your rektington is probably your best option on taking on tanks and light vehicles with your volk's snare. your AT weapons are really awesome, and grow extremely powerful to extreme satisfication when the penetrate a gaping hole into the enemies most precious and valued units

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2018, 08:30 AMA table

Typical response.

Allied blobs nearly aren't as powerfull against german armor because of the difference between penetration rates and heavier german armor values(Panzershreck pens waaaay more frequently than the M9 and PTRS). Not to mention rifles and penals are more expensive to build and reinforce, something that the volksgrens dont have as a downside.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2018, 11:28 AMdk828315

As I have stated before, good players support their vehicles with infantry (Allies infantry are beasts, let's face it) so when they see my SP or volks running up to get a shot, they will focus fire on that squad while reversing their vehicle, this makes it extremely difficult to counter any kind of vehicle play

The only effective use of raketens, from my experience, is to build 2 or more of them then either cloak-cap the map or blob them together to cheese enemy vehicles by volleys of ambushing rockets

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2018, 12:27 PMdreamerdude

First off you are making excuses about "good players do (insert play here)". It's as if you are saying that axis isn't able to do so in return. You also shoot yourself in the foot by stating that "good players do (x)" making it seem that you are not a good player.

A shrek alone has a lot of alpha compared to allied AT guns with the acception of the piat.

Anyway, just making excuses seems like you don't want to help and just want to argue for the sake of arguing. As if you don't want any sort of help what so ever. Making this entire thread more or less pointless.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2018, 12:30 PMAlphrum

no one is saying shrek is bad, but shrek on SP was a terrible idea, they are 300mp unit thats needed for combat, repair, mine placement, medics (if no battle group) mine sweeping and now AT support? that for you being fine is ridiculous

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2018, 12:40 PMdreamerdude

Yeah i understand. But i feel like everyone here just makes excuses to try and solidify their argument when in turn it's very off putting.

A shrek on a SP in my opinion is a good idea, they gain vet really fast by hitting vehicles increasing their potency and their repair speed at a fast pace.

You have to look at the SP squad as a CC utility jack of trades squad. In turn they are extremely powerful and they are really hard to kill compared to the rest of the infantry aside from obers.
You also complain that 300 MP is a lot for the squad but honestly they sit in a really good spot, and they are the best supporting unit in the game.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2018, 13:15 PMAlphrum

First you said double shreks is bad as they will gain vet but now its a good thing? ur contradicting yourself here, sturms are not a CC utlity jack of all trades squad, their combat engineers, they are not durable, they are 4 man squad, and that's the problem, having to rely on "utility" squad with 4 men that has so many vital roles for OKW, and once you lose them ur fked.

OKW do struggle with AT without tanks, something no other faction has a problem with and one of the reasons for that is BECAUSE shreks are on sturms.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2018, 13:31 PMdreamerdude

I didn't say shrek on a SP squad is bad, double shrek on an SP squad would be to much as it will get insane amount of XP in very little time.
As i mained in OKW for ages until i stopped playing for a year, year and a half, I can tell you that OKW does not have any problem with AT on the field.
Yes they are combat engineers, a Close combat jack of trades utility unit.
I don't know how you think that because it's a 4 man squad makes them squishy, a volks is squishy, assgrens are squishy. Sturms have are solid units that are fairly beefy in my opinion.

And yes, when you lose any squad from OKW it really does hurt. sturms hurt yes, they are expensive, work on your unit preservation if that is the case, i feel like that part of the argument is an excuse.

If you want me to play some games for you and give you replays of how I play OKW and so forth i will send you some.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2018, 12:27 PMdreamerdude

First off you are making excuses about "good players do (insert play here)". It's as if you are saying that axis isn't able to do so in return. You also shoot yourself in the foot by stating that "good players do (x)" making it seem that you are not a good player.

A shrek alone has a lot of alpha compared to allied AT guns with the acception of the piat.

Anyway, just making excuses seems like you don't want to help and just want to argue for the sake of arguing. As if you don't want any sort of help what so ever. Making this entire thread more or less pointless.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2018, 13:19 PMullumulu

the problem with schrecks: they have really bad aiming since 2 patches.

Was it changed?

an every 6-7 sek a schreck from one stpio doesnt afraid any tank seroiusly.

most alli tank shred infntery with 1-2 shoots...so no..its not very effective to have one ST Pio with schreck and 1 rakten...wich are both very fragil and must retreat after the first shot..while haveing not very far range...

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2018, 14:19 PMdreamerdude

shrecks are a close medium range weapon. and the lack of accuracy is counteracted by the high alpha.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2018, 14:10 PMdk828315

A schreck alone is a joke to medium tanks (higher health pool than light vehicles), with its horrible reload time and weird accuracy

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2018, 15:12 PMTwo Years Gone

Dedicated Panzerjäger infantry in Tier 1 or 2 could be awesome. Like a Volk squad armed with MP40s and two Panzershrecks right off the bat so they're good versus armor but absolute crap versus infantry, which is how it should be.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2018, 16:06 PMMarkedRaptor

Here's the thing, if your opponent is massing say, riflemen with 2 bazooka's, they are lacking pretty heavily in the anti-infantry department. Which means you wouldn't really want to build medium tanks (Unless you kite of course). This was the problem with volks and shreks back in the day, but there's a primary difference.

Jump back to quoted post7 Feb 2018, 16:12 PMdk828315

USF can just build more REs and equip them with zooks and leave the AI to riflemen, so they don't really lack anything