Tell me why OKW deserves better HMG when this is already the best HMG they can think off
Cuz Vipper said so?
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Tell me why OKW deserves better HMG when this is already the best HMG they can think off
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If okw don't go for luchs it will get rekt by riflemen. It's like the same thing as preparing for a clown car, bren carrier, etc., there is no counter for it, but to buy raketen.
Reason for luch, is because it's the only way to survive, like you said, when VonIvan went non USF meta he got rekt. Luch is meta for OKW. Play non meta OKW and get destroyed.
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Yes, OKW player has never blamed his wrong commander choice because no matter what he choses he will have
- Best Heavy Tank, best? Depends, unsupported don't last more than 10 seconds. And hell expensive.
- Strong Mainline and Elite Infantry, strong to what? Volks get rekt by penals, IS, Rifleman.
- Strong Indirect Fire, strong? No, annoying yes. Doesnt wipe units, only reduces health, doesn't clear houses.
- FRP and Emplacement (FlakHQ), like people use them like bofors, and not as lethal unless you are slow thinker. FRP, USF, UKF have one.
- Mines, usf will have mines too.
- Garrison Counters (now even smoke), well it comes with tech and usf have t0
- Cover Building Options, what?
- Light Vehicle, only OKW have such?
- Light AT Vehicle, jesus christ.
- Strong Medium Tank, strong compared to what, most expenisve too? Cromwell, sherman, bad tanks? for 80 fuel t34/76 bad tank? Puma cost more.
- Vet 5, When you see skilltiger vet 5, call me. We can clamp all bonuses into 3 vets, ok, since 5 stars looks so intimidating?
- and All Weapon Teams (some factions won't have access to most team weapons if they chose wrong tech path). Well, OKw truck cost almost the same as soviet t2 or same as t1.
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If okw don't go for luchs it will get rekt by riflemen. It's like the same thing as preparing for a clown car, bren carrier, etc., there is no counter for it, but to buy raketen.
Reason for luch, is because it's the only way to survive, like you said, when VonIvan went non USF meta he got rekt. Luch is meta for OKW. Play non meta OKW and get destroyed.
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I can agree that OKW doesn't get panzer fausts for quite some time compared to ostheer. As you say, they get a raketen. One they can build at the very start of the game mind you, they don't have to tech up or make choices for it. You make it sound bad however that you had to buy a raketen. It can cap points, stealth, and fallback. It will also STILL be useful for any armor that the allies might get out later.
If riflemen were as good as you say they are, they would not get wrecked all the way up until the Luches comes out. Bar'd riflemen are indeed very great, but getting there when getting denied the map is an uphill battle.
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Well I think one reason luchs is meta is because its the only tech thats worth it. T1 sucks as a first tech unless you need isgs to counter some kind of mg spam strat. Flak ht is below average as a light vehicle and it only scales in teamgames when it can murder planes from 4 players lategame.
But you can always build a searchlight after that 300 manpower hq
OKW does have problems, but they don't show up much right now.
Its also why i don't suggest a direct nerf to volks because if rifles stomp them that would be a problem as well.
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OKW doesnt need stronger HMG, its best supression platform in the game (after OST hmg). And once you suppress infantry all you need to do is close in with volks or throw asscheap 15 munny nades. Will work just fine.
Tell me why OKW deserves better HMG when this is already the best HMG they can think off
Cuz Vipper said so?
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They are better than volks, what do you mean if were as good. They are just better. Well, if people start comaparing vet. 5 volks to vet. 0 rifleman, then it's obvious.
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First we need to get rid of "get out of jail free cards" in order to balance OKW.
OKW faction should behave like any other faction. If you make a mistake early on or f*uck it up, you should be punished. Period.
Thats how all GOOD Strategy games work. From Chess, through Starcraft, Aoe's to Civ and HoMnM series.
Having a Mr.Click Me that allows you to bypass any extended early game play or grevious mistakes is a fail on a game design Basis.
Yes, I've been talking about doctrines like Special Ops, Scavenger or Elite Armor.
Commanders should extend your capabilities and allow you to amend your playstyle. They should not save your a**. Period
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Cuz Vipper said so?
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Did you watch VonIvon's hilarious stream the other day when he tried going USF non-meta? He got destroyed so hard it was sad(and funny).
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USF: I have glaring weaknesses and if I don't pick specific commanders I'm fucked!
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I dont think you should be using random ladder matches from a tired streamer playing after multiple hours, using a semi-serious build, on his second (third?) best faction, playing against similarly skilled opponents (who, presumably, are far less fatigued) as an example for...well...anything.
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Vipper "if i spam enough threads whining about nerfs to axis maybe the community team working on DBP will rollback the changes and the games population will slowly die due from axis being overbuffed that would be awesome for me because i am axis fanboy with 0 skill I have 2000 posts and all of them are whining about allies and also 4000 hours in coh2 but my auto targeting LeIG sniper spam isnt winning me enough games in 4v4"
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Who is dave again? I only know of a few people so you'll have to excuse me.
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