December Balance Preview

Jump back to quoted post7 Dec 2017, 11:25 AMullumulu

if you dont know the advantage of a 6 model squad...i dont know..maybe learn basics?

- ever tried to recrew a wepoan?
- get an arty strike?
- and cons (t0) with ppsh are much stronger than grens (t1)

and so on..

Jump back to quoted post7 Dec 2017, 13:26 PMvasa1719

Did you try recrew with brits ? Get arty strike ?
Cons without ppsh are just trash vs grens with LMG or gev43.

You forget that models stuck in this game, so get wipe with 6 models canbe same like with 4.
If youso like 6 models, lets chage name from soviet ot osthher,andlets how you will be good with 6 models

Jump back to quoted post7 Dec 2017, 15:11 PMHon3ynuts

Is there any chance of getting STORMtroopers in STORM Doctrine? Can it be put on the docket for next Balance preview if not this one?

It just seems to make sense especially with ambush and tactical movement overlapping

Obersoldaten LMG34
We felt that the LMG34 would generally over perform when picked up by non-elite infantry due to the higher-than-average veterancy bonuses non-elite infantry accumulate. To account for this, we've made the following change:

Non-elite squad LMG34 (picked-up) damage from 6 to 4

Jump back to quoted post7 Dec 2017, 15:11 PMHon3ynuts

Is there any chance of getting STORMtroopers in STORM Doctrine? Can it be put on the docket for next Balance preview if not this one?

It just seems to make sense especially with ambush and tactical movement overlapping

Jump back to quoted post7 Dec 2017, 10:36 AMvasa1719

If you buff ostheer , you will be must buff soviet czo thay are like twins.

Jump back to quoted post7 Dec 2017, 16:07 PMDangerous-Cloth

Interesting.

Buffs to penals --> No buffs to grens

Buffs to conscripts now --> No buffs to grens

As a matter of fact:

Only nerfs to Ostheer for the most part.

Jump back to quoted post7 Dec 2017, 16:17 PMBIH_kirov_QC

and penals got nerfs to.

Jump back to quoted post7 Dec 2017, 16:20 PMHon3ynuts

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Concensus seems to be that there should be a unit callin for the commander, which i agree with.

infantry callins are-Jaeger officer, artillery officer,osturuppen, Halftracks with grens/pgrens.
Vehicle callins- tank, tiger, puma, tiger ace, elephant, mortar ht.

All of these would create
doctrinal overlap, Jaeger officer, artillery officer, Gren ht, mortar ht.
Not fit the theme- ostruppen, command tank, puma, elephant(also overlap with jaeger armor).
Create balance issues-Tiger, Tiger ace

This leaves pgren halftrack and stormtroopers to me. But since its STORM doctrine, i like stormtroopers.

They are just finalizing the patch now so i suggest this instead of a double sprint and b/c it would be the easiest to get the scope for if it is even possible to add.

(if i forgot a callin call me out tho)

Jump back to quoted post7 Dec 2017, 17:17 PMHon3ynuts

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I don't think the Munitions argument is valid. They just reworked Recon support to have 5 abilities which cost or imply the usage of munitions through upgrades or abilities and I think that's fine, and that doctrine has received a lot of positive feedback. The abilities here do not overlap in function, eg. mines, off maps, infantry upgrades, they can be all used at different phases of the game.

To me storm doctrine does not scream scout car that hunts tanks in the puma. Puma could probably work though. Don't see a balance issue or it being useless, may suffer a bit without smoke though.

Command tank and Artillery are in mechanized
Mortar HT and artillery are in festung support.

Assault grens could actually work but they aren't very good

Jump back to quoted post7 Dec 2017, 13:35 PMullumulu

You are Welcome:

https://www.coh2.org/replay/65603/1on1-wpb-v1-3-ullumulu-sov-vs-mr-smith-okw

Jump back to quoted post7 Dec 2017, 17:53 PMvasa1719

And what this repley must show to me ? One game can be example of balance ?

Jump back to quoted post7 Dec 2017, 16:07 PMDangerous-Cloth

Interesting.

Buffs to penals --> No buffs to grens

Buffs to conscripts now --> No buffs to grens

As a matter of fact:

Only nerfs to Ostheer for the most part.

Jump back to quoted post7 Dec 2017, 16:22 PMDangerous-Cloth

Yes now they did. But as Vasa put it, if you buff Soviets, you need to buff Ostheer too. Which of course never happened back then, they only buffed penals to be terminators. His reasoning is flawed.