Commando vet3 smoke on retreat.

Does it actually do anything besides take up veterancy bonuses? Because it seems like units will still often shoot at commandos when they retreat and drop their smoke grenade.

Does it actually do anything besides take up veterancy bonuses? Because it seems like units will still often shoot at commandos when they retreat and drop their smoke grenade.

I don't really know Brits well, but I believe the smoke they spawn isn't sight blocking, but functions as spawning yellow cover instead. More akin to vCoH smoke.

I don't really know Brits well, but I believe the smoke they spawn isn't sight blocking, but functions as spawning yellow cover instead. More akin to vCoH smoke.

You're thinking of the vet1 thrown grenade I think. It does do what you described, but the vet3 bonus for commandos is self healing and dropping a smoke grenade on retreat.

It seems bugged to me. It sometimes provides yellow cover as ZombiFrancis tells us. Sometimes it provides a sight block. Nonetheless, this unit doesn't need this kind of ability. I rather see some kind of ability which improves upon their entire 'raid and run' kind of playstyle than the current vet 3 ability that simply enhance the 'run' aspect.

I would love the commandoes to have something like a flare that can scout ahead, thus helping in their secret raids behind enemy lines. Let's say a 35 munitions flare that can spot a smaller area than a mortar flare can, helping them in setting up better ambushes. I would also like them to lay down simple mines like the USF infantry mine, perhaps a little less powerful one at that, for lets say 35 munitions too? Making the commandoes a true behind the lines raid and run unit. This would of course see the need for the light gammon nuke bomb with the 10 milisecond fuse to be adjusted.

Vet 3 could be the flare and the mine unlock simultaneously, but they would have something like a shared cooldown, preventing insane op plays by commandoes. I would really like such a thing..

The smoke entity dropped is the same as used by:
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sbps attributes\sbps\races\british\soldiers\commando_squad\infiltration_commando_squad_mp extensions\squad_retreat_ext\actions\requirement_action\action_table\spawn_entity\entity_blueprint

I do not think is is the smoke is the problem, I thinks it maybe from them being very close and in the middle of the engagement zone.

Commandos get the following bonuses at Vet3:
- Smoke bomb, which acts like normal smoke
- Passive regeneration out of combat (equal to Volksgrenadier healing; aka 50% faster than Tommy heal)
- -75% received accuracy on retreat

It's quite a decent bonus. Too bad Commandos scale so bad.

It seems bugged to me. It sometimes provides yellow cover as ZombiFrancis tells us. Sometimes it provides a sight block. Nonetheless, this unit doesn't need this kind of ability. I rather see some kind of ability which improves upon their entire 'raid and run' kind of playstyle than the current vet 3 ability that simply enhance the 'run' aspect.

I would love the commandoes to have something like a flare that can scout ahead, thus helping in their secret raids behind enemy lines. Let's say a 35 munitions flare that can spot a smaller area than a mortar flare can, helping them in setting up better ambushes. I would also like them to lay down simple mines like the USF infantry mine, perhaps a little less powerful one at that, for lets say 35 munitions too? Making the commandoes a true behind the lines raid and run unit. This would of course see the need for the light gammon nuke bomb with the 10 milisecond fuse to be adjusted.

Vet 3 could be the flare and the mine unlock simultaneously, but they would have something like a shared cooldown, preventing insane op plays by commandoes. I would really like such a thing..

That would be insanely cool.

The smoke entity dropped is the same as used by:
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sbps attributes\sbps\races\british\soldiers\commando_squad\infiltration_commando_squad_mp extensions\squad_retreat_ext\actions\requirement_action\action_table\spawn_entity\entity_blueprint

I do not think is is the smoke is the problem, I thinks it maybe from them being very close and in the middle of the engagement zone.

Huh.

Commandos get the following bonuses at Vet3:
- Smoke bomb, which acts like normal smoke
- Passive regeneration out of combat (equal to Volksgrenadier healing; aka 50% faster than Tommy heal)
- -75% received accuracy on retreat

It's quite a decent bonus. Too bad Commandos scale so bad.

Yeah, it is a pretty decent bonus. Too bad it only helps with running away. The problem I see is that they get no RA bonuses and only one accuracy bonus, which are the mainstay of veterancy for most other units.

They're still really good at holding points in 1v1 though, between demos, cheesy camo nade, and ambush.

Commandos get the following bonuses at Vet3:
- Smoke bomb, which acts like normal smoke
- Passive regeneration out of combat (equal to Volksgrenadier healing; aka 50% faster than Tommy heal)
- -75% received accuracy on retreat

It's quite a decent bonus. Too bad Commandos scale so bad.

if well played...they are a horror...drop bomb out of camo, can run and build demos while in camo (lol?)

if well played...they are a horror...drop bomb out of camo, can run and build demos while in camo (lol?)

Oml read thread title.

Oml read thread title.

I think the vet 3 smoke nade drop simply helps Cdos do things that otherwise most unit cannot even dream of trying.

I think the vet 3 smoke nade drop simply helps Cdos do things that otherwise most unit cannot even dream of trying.

Yeah but I made the thread because I wasn't entirely sure if it worked or not, since enemies still seem to shoot through the smoke sometimes.

Yeah but I made the thread because I wasn't entirely sure if it worked or not, since enemies still seem to shoot through the smoke sometimes.

The nade isnt that big, so perhaps your Cdos turned a corner and went back into LoS of the enemy.

Otherwise it works wonders if you are suddenly jumped by lets say, obers with STGs or some crap like that.