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Luciano
9 Aug 2017, 18:23 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post9 Aug 2017, 13:54 PMWhiteFlash
Uploaded a revised version of Crossroads. Please try it out and post feedback here. The more detailed the better.

Thanks all

Changes: https://imgur.com/a/ok9H0

Map here: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=501836252



Thanks for updating it!
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Jae For Jett
9 Aug 2017, 19:44 PM
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I'm a little bit late, and its minor, but the north players cutoff is made more difficult to hold because players can reinforce basically on the point because of how close to the point they can construct (and reinforce from) a base building. Maybe move the north players base territory back slightly if this hasn't already been addressed in your revised version?
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WhiteFlash
9 Aug 2017, 19:52 PM
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thanks for reminding me of that, i was looking at that months ago in some streams and forgot, ill reanalyze that
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ZombiFrancis
10 Aug 2017, 00:55 AM
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The green and red cover on the map that was removed never really bothered me, but the map still works just fine without it though.

Moving the burned out house is a good change. VPs seem fine.

I always figured the cutoff house's lack of windows was its weakness. But I don't mind more damaged buildings in the slightest.
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Finndeed
10 Aug 2017, 15:26 PM
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Looks good! Did you remove 2 strat points as well?
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Sturmpanther
10 Aug 2017, 15:30 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post10 Aug 2017, 15:26 PMFinndeed
Looks good! Did you remove 2 strat points as well?


Its still has 12 hybrid points.

Not sure if Relic will allow to cancle 2 hybridpoints at all. I mean they looked into this map and allowed 12 hybridpoints.

So both side can go faster for light vehicle tech and not only inf spam^^

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WhiteFlash
10 Aug 2017, 16:36 PM
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Ive gotten mixed ideas on that. Im likely going to leave the 12 strat points unless i see some data or groundbreaking perspective in order to change it.

Reason being, the level of balance that the map is achieving may be driven by unseen variables and i want to change it as little as possible, but still improve it.
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0ld_Shatterhand
10 Aug 2017, 16:46 PM
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Played a few matches and I have to say, that I really like it. Especially the rework of the northern cutoff is a major improvement. Way more clear and early harassments isn't that easy anymore. Also, the new VP placement feels good.
The only thing, I can think of what you could improve is to reduce the northern base area, so that it ends around the hedgerow, so Ost can't build the T1 near the cutoff anymore. But otherwise great work, it's nice to see, how one of the best 1vs1 maps gets even better.
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WhiteFlash
10 Aug 2017, 16:50 PM
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Yea im going to look into the base placement, the original intent wasnt to have buildings that close to cutoff, ill let people know when it gets updated tonit, thanks Old_Shatterhand the tests are appreciated, dont suppose you have any replays?
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0ld_Shatterhand
10 Aug 2017, 16:53 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post10 Aug 2017, 16:50 PMWhiteFlash
Yea im going to look into the base placement, the original intent wasnt to have buildings that close to cutoff, ill let people know when it gets updated tonit, thanks Old_Shatterhand the tests are appreciated, dont suppose you have any replays?

Didn´t save the replays. Maybe if I have time, I will play some more and save them for you.
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WhiteFlash
10 Aug 2017, 16:53 PM
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right on, thanks sir
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ShadowLinkX37
10 Aug 2017, 21:06 PM
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WhiteFlash
10 Aug 2017, 22:36 PM
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Thank you sir
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WhiteFlash
10 Aug 2017, 23:31 PM
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Thanks again for playing, not sure about the cutoff house...im checking it out
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WhiteFlash
10 Aug 2017, 23:41 PM
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I just tested that house thoroughly, hit it w all kinds of stuff and tried to duplicate the stuck mg, no luck. Its prolly something in COH2. If you can duplicate that bug again to show its map specific let me know def. Otherwise im going to chalk it up to a COH2 bug instead of a map bug. Thanks again for testing and posting a replay gents
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LoopDloop
11 Aug 2017, 00:40 AM
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I think south has a much better position because of the house ruin, the abundance of green cover on their fuel area (makes being aggressive over there a lot easier than the southeast corner) and the fact that north's only garrison collapses from a sneeze.

Even with those faults, it's probably still one of the maps I think is really balanced.
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skemshead
11 Aug 2017, 09:36 AM
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The changes improve the map, however the side with the house on the cutoff and the timbers stacks is still at a disadvantage. This is due to the wood stacks and the shack acting as shotblockers. The second issue is the house and hedge on the cutoff makes transitioning from left to right more restrictive compared to the other starting position.
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zarok47
11 Aug 2017, 13:33 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post10 Aug 2017, 16:36 PMWhiteFlash
Ive gotten mixed ideas on that. Im likely going to leave the 12 strat points unless i see some data or groundbreaking perspective in order to change it.

Reason being, the level of balance that the map is achieving may be driven by unseen variables and i want to change it as little as possible, but still improve it.


This strikes me as odd, why would you need convincing that 12 strat points should be changed, when it really should be "why change the 10 strat points every other map has".

I've listed before why the 12 strat points mess with many balance factors (teching, nades/upgrades and snowballing), and removing 2 strat points on this map is very minor (the strat points near the muni points come to mind).

Basicly, I am asking what groundbreaking perspective there is to keep 12 strat points, how does it improve balance and this map?
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WhiteFlash
11 Aug 2017, 22:04 PM
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A new version was just uploaded

Changes here: https://imgur.com/a/jbQsB

If you havent already subscribe to the map here to play it: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=501836252
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Finndeed
12 Aug 2017, 10:54 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Aug 2017, 13:33 PMzarok47


This strikes me as odd, why would you need convincing that 12 strat points should be changed, when it really should be "why change the 10 strat points every other map has".

I've listed before why the 12 strat points mess with many balance factors (teching, nades/upgrades and snowballing), and removing 2 strat points on this map is very minor (the strat points near the muni points come to mind).

Basicly, I am asking what groundbreaking perspective there is to keep 12 strat points, how does it improve balance and this map?


I have to agree with Zarok.

I think part of the reason OKW got around 85% win rate on this map during GCS was the extra strat points allowed them to get a luchs out even faster and also snowball into a late game where they are virtually unbeatable (at least on paper).

No other faction benefits as much as OKW from increase resource income.

Brits getting the AEC is normally more about conserving manpower.

Ost only get a 222 which isnt exactly OP, or the halftrack which is again not really expensive in terms of fuel or even really in muni. And again manpower is the greater limiting factor in their teching/getting of vehicles.

USF can go for an early Stuart but because its no longer that good against infantry its okay, plus OST and OKW have access to some of the best AT by that stage (Pak 40, raketten, faust, puma and even luchs can be a big problem for the Stuart).

Soviets will always get the T-70 later than the Luchs. Once the luchs is out, their progress towards getting the T-70 out is massively hampered by the luchs, again allowing more time for OKW to snowball.

OKW, on the other hand, can easily build up enough manpower to use the extra fuel to accelerate the luchs acquisition.



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