Flamers

Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2017, 23:01 PMLoopDloop

I don't use them much, as I don't play as the EFA factions that much, but how do flamer mechanics work in general? Does their dps change at range? Is it affected by RA? Stuff like that. Thanks.

Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2017, 23:18 PMShadowLinkX37

DPS is consistant per burst but can hit multiple models since it's an AoE weapon. So if your tightly clumped in cover it'll hit most if not all models and the health damage will be equal accross all models. Same applies for garrisons. Every model is damaged X amount per burst no matter how big or small the garrison. DPS does not change with range and is not affected by RA.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 00:31 AMmiragefla

Alright, going to toss these out here just to quickly answer everything regarding handheld flamers.

-1.25 damage versus heavy cover and garrisons

-No penalties or bonuses against units in Negative Cover (

-Accuracy of 1, but AOE accuracy of 15 so it never misses.

-AOE of 2 which deals equal damage throughout its AOE

-Equal cooldowns and aim-time throughout all ranges (1.25/1.75 min and max cooldown)

-Range of 20 (Rifles and most small-arms are 35)

Jump back to quoted post19 Apr 2017, 23:57 PMNano

Could someone also explain the flame crit mechanic? I vaguely recall reading about it but I haven't really worked out exactly how it works. Is just RNG? Nothing impacts the chances?

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 00:52 AMShadowLinkX37

Can you explain what this crit is? I've never heard of a flamer criting.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 00:57 AMNano

Maybe there is no such thing, I thought I recalled reading that flamers could crit in some way. Maybe not

People seem to mention something like it here and there:
https://community.companyofheroes.com/discussion/191713/bring-back-100-health-flame-crits-for-heavy-flamers-and-molotovs

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 01:07 AMShadowLinkX37

The article is saying that 100% HP flamer crits were once in the game but no longer. Heavy flamers included (according to the article) vehicle flamethrowers like the KV-8, 251 HT flamers, and the crocodile a bit later upon release had the crit still been in the game. As far as I can tell it has been removed. I imagine it was part of the patch after the garrison flame resistant patch since those vehicles were destroying garrisons incredibly fast and then the next patch they toned down the flame power against garrisons. They never removed the massive garrison flame resist part when they toned down the flamethrowers against garrisons, so now you can see a single flamethrower takes like 2-3 minutes to actually set a garrison on fire.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 00:52 AMShadowLinkX37

I believe most of these are correct except the penalty in negative cover. This only applies to water negative cover but if you're standing in negative cover that is water the flamer damage is multiplied by 0.5. All other negative cover doesn't matter.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 02:34 AMelchino7

Can't really confirm but i'm not sure if those types of covers are been used.

Jump back to quoted post20 Apr 2017, 02:49 AMShadowLinkX37

TBH not that hard to confirm. Just stick a squad of say riflemen in the massive swamp in the north of bryansk forest and give an ostheer pio a flamer and kill the 3 models with MP40s. If the flamer does half damage, 100% confirmed. It's in the mod tools so I assume it's factual anyways.