What is the state of Panzer 4 on the Winter Balance Patch
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Will there be any update changes on this unit?
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But it doesn't mean, that they won't be changed during patches after WBP.
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One shotting full health raketens shouldn't be a thing that happens on such a frequent basis plain and simple.
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I think P4 is fine. Other mediums are those whitch overperform. If we buff everything to comet and cromwell level, then infantry will extint past 15 minute mark or we will only see pak-walls because of how powerful tanks and fear from them would be.
Nailed it. Need to adjust performance to Ost Panzer IV levels and either increase price to Ost Panzer IV level or reduce Ost Panzer IV price.
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Nailed it. Need to adjust performance to Ost Panzer IV levels and either increase price to Ost Panzer IV level or reduce Ost Panzer IV price.
Reducing performance is always better when something is clearly overperforming to its other counterparts.
By increasing price you won´t fix anything. It´s like keeping old OKW vet 5 bonuses by saying they are fine because their tanks cost 50% fuel more (they weren´t).
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Reducing performance is always better when something is clearly overperforming to its other counterparts.
By increasing price you won´t fix anything. It´s like keeping old OKW vet 5 bonuses by saying they are fine because their tanks cost 50% fuel more (they weren´t).
The Cromwell is the Cromwell, and the Sherman definitely didn't need something out of all the buffs it got.
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a) Cromwell / Panzer IV and
b) Comet / Panther matchup
by either nerfing the British vehicles or buffing the German vehicles, I´d call that a failed patch. Even more so since I read here somewhere a StuG nerf (Ausf. G) was considered.
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The modders can't be blamed. When Relic allows it, they can alter tanks.
Somehow this remind me of:
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And for people complaining about Relic's way of doing things...well:
"You merely adopted the scope. I was born with Company of houses. Molded by Company of call ins. I didn't see crap RNG removed till many planes crashes on my units".
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The Cromwell is the Cromwell, and the Sherman definitely didn't need something out of all the buffs it got.
Don't forget that without the latest premium USF Commanders, the Sherman(s) is/are the USF lategame, it should be decent if it's not gonna be cheap as dirt.
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WM P4 with upgrade just melts any infantry near him, and the OKW gets insane with veterancy. But both perform above average if you use them right.
So it either let him stay the way it is, or just rebalance it.
If you want excellent AT just get a stug and if you want excellent AI get ostwinds.
inb4 nazi apologists going crazy.
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#Logic
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I'm amazed how long barrell PIV has worse penetration than Sherman
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somwhow even shorter barrel Crushwell is better Kappa
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Reducing performance is always better when something is clearly overperforming to its other counterparts.
By increasing price you won´t fix anything. It´s like keeping old OKW vet 5 bonuses by saying they are fine because their tanks cost 50% fuel more (they weren´t).
I know. What I meant was that the Cromwell and Sherman get reduced to the Ostheer Panzer IV performance and that their prices ged either adjusted to the Ostheer Panzer IV level or the Ostheer Panzer IV price gets reduced to the Cromwell and Sherman level. Both of these changes at the same time..
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