Relic Winter Balance Preview v1.5 Update

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2017, 15:03 PM__deleted__

Please don´t buff pgrens. There is nothing worse than fighting against 3hmgs42 with pgrens as USA. Buffing them would mean death sentence for USA

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2017, 18:55 PMDangerous-Cloth

Pgrens can now undoctrinally:

Get a STGs for free
Get schrecks
Throw satchells (effect is the same, cost and timing is smaller)

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2017, 20:59 PM__deleted__

Fixed it for you, thank me later

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2017, 20:59 PM__deleted__

Fixed it for you, thank me later

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2017, 20:21 PMBallBustinBABE

they should add this handbrake option to fixed/turret less tank destroyers too. so su76, su85, stugs, and what have you. can be fixed to a certain direction like at guns or mgs.

instead of acting like a mental case and rotating to aim at something you don't want to shoot at.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jan 2017, 10:58 AMMr.Smith

While this is an excellent idea, a better idea might be to give those things a hold-fire ability that will also prevent automatic rotation. Having all 3 abilities (prioritise vehicles, hold fire and handbreak) would be very messy.

Polluting the interface with things means it will be more difficult to convince for the need to add further QoL changes later on.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jan 2017, 21:33 PMDangerous-Cloth

You actually think penals are fine? HAHAHA LOL

Jump back to quoted post17 Jan 2017, 23:26 PMspajn

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Jump back to quoted post17 Jan 2017, 23:26 PMspajn

I have asked this over and over and never get any proper response so i ask again:

In the survey before you started working on the patch the popular opinion was wehrmacht lacked in mainline infantry scaling.

I have asked why you can't simply give them a 5 man squad upgrade in T4 so you have more reason teching to T4 than just for bigger tanks and more to spend fuel on than just tanks which adds OPTIONS not just more openings but LATEGAME OPTIONS which is severely lacking currently.

The answer i have been getting it is out of scope and too complicated, but why is buffing and changing penals not "out of scope" and just as complicated? You are reworking the entire role of the penal which was overperforming to begin with, and you claim adding a fifth guy to a grenadier squad late game is too complicated? Keep in mind the kar98 isn't the damage dealer in a grenadier squad so their dps would hardly change much, it's more to get rid of the one shot wipes of grenadiers.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jan 2017, 07:28 AMEsxile

Cuz they don't need it maybe. Asking the question over and over and not accepting the answer provided to you doesn't mean you are right.

Ostheer infantry need less squad wipe = improve model spacing, nerf USF mortar, nerf vet3 rifle RA, nerf Brit Engi double nerf, nerf mid game medium tank AI power, nerf mid game light vehicle M15/M20 power etc... It isn't enough? Well more mods and patches are coming after if this one succeed.

Since the begining of the mod presentation and even since before, modders stated it: Ostheer is the reference, they want to balance other factions from it. So why would they change the reference?

Jump back to quoted post18 Jan 2017, 12:36 PMspajn

The model spacing rework won't help grenadiers, it only improves so squads doesn't clump when rapidly clicking them in different directions. Grenadiers still get wiped to 1 mortar shell, 1 tank shot, 1 grenade by just standing in their standard formation.

Jump back to quoted post17 Jan 2017, 16:05 PMSvalbard SD

A_E nailed it with his video for me. Yes, gameplay>historical accuracy in many cases, but this most certainly is not one. Making Penals into an all-rounder mainline infantry when there is a certain unit called Conscript squad is just reversing the way the Soviet faction was created to/should work.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jan 2017, 14:04 PMButcher

I don´t mind Penals being stronger. It´s assymetric balance. As long as Ostheer lategame gets a buff it evens out. It only gets problematic if Ostheer is shit at everything like in the current patch.