OKW Minesweepers vs Demo Charges.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2017, 23:26 PMmiragefla

All of those are easier to dodge, even cloaked grenades to an extent as you can have an eye on the squad and at least move/ hit retreat. Demos really do punish capping/individual squads more than anything else by forcing consolidation to avoid being nuked.

It kind of goes back to the old general-purpose mines one-shooting squads. You CAN'T have a minesweeper everywhere and if you do, you're heavily delaying capturing/offensives to avoid wipes and spending resources in units that are non-combat(pios) or taper off and exmepsive (Sturms).

Furthermore cost is not a good indicator for deciding if it should be a full easy wipe with pretty much one option for counterplay which is sweepers or have some sixth sense for demos. If it was the case, why the heck do certain off-maps not kill everything despite costing more than said demo?

Regardless my opinion is demos should be far less lethal to anything not objects or structures, but make them cheaper so they can be used more on said targets.

Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2017, 23:30 PMvasa1719

So ST wipe too, stuka dive bomb and stuka zu fast wipe too, will you nerf them too ? Dodge > minesweeper ?

Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2017, 23:49 PMAustralian Magic

You can't have sweeper everywhere, but 8/10 times you can "dodge" demo by microing.

Why cap in the middle, most obvious point if you can spare 1 click and cap at the edge of VP from the less obvious side?

Why go into that narrow path with vetted squad? It's perfect spot for a demo

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Personally I don't have any problems with demos and the only wipes when I lose a squad is when I forget myself and don't micro while capping. Only then.

If I think about it, I belive I haven't lost a single squad to demo for a few months (and few times when like mentioned I forgot about microing capping units).

Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2017, 23:53 PMSturmpanther

Really, image demos don't wipe anymore. Incoming 6 Grens vet 3 spam with lmg from Wehrmacht and soviet can do shit lategame...

Jump back to quoted post5 Jan 2017, 16:53 PMSturmpanther

I think its fine, that demo wipes squad, if you place them right.

Soviet lacks in antiInf - Inf. And i mean pls, after you lost 1 volks vs demo, you will use minesweeper and its done with the demos...

Hope they will NOT fix it.

90 muni, whats about riflenades? or the Commandonades? They are cheaper and wipes, or the 15 muni nades from OKW so pls...

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2017, 00:30 AMaaa

To wipe a caping squad you must notice the squad with almost 0 vision of the demo and trigger it, while microing other units on tje other part of the map. All that in 2 sec, if 1 model gets away = 90 muni wasted.
If demo is not a skill what the ski'l then? Camping with mortars or settong flak truck to auto lock 1/3 of the map. Game needs more user input.

They are only good for bashing noobs. On the tournament level demos were rarely used and never paid for itself.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2017, 01:53 AMzerocoh

you have to be a special kind of retard to get blown by a demo on a capping point, really...

you have a CIRCLE are to cap, just put one model inside the circle and you are good.

Jump back to quoted post2 Jan 2017, 11:33 AMDonnieChan

If you detect 3 demo charges your opponent has lost 300 muni for nothing.

after this, your opponent usually stops laying them.

also demo charges usually mean no mines

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2017, 01:53 AMzerocoh

you have to be a special kind of retard to get blown by a demo on a capping point, really...

you have a CIRCLE are to cap, just put one model inside the circle and you are good.

also, as okw you can just spend 15 munis on the balanced salvo of nades (don't even start on the "b-b-but is commander only ability!1!1" because the worthy ones have them.)