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HelpingHans
21 Jul 2013, 13:50 PM
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So basically on the twitch section of the front page I think they should list the most popular streams with a number of viewers next to them rather than a random list. This would benefit the community as new players will watch decent players while learning and engaging more with the community than if it was just a random streamer with no viewers. Furthermore this would help increase the viewer base for the popular streams and therefore the game will become more popular and the community will get larger as a result.
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Cyridius
21 Jul 2013, 14:11 PM
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The argument could be made that randomizing it helps newer twitch streamers gain viewers.
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PaRaNo1a
21 Jul 2013, 14:13 PM
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Hans just wants more viewers, thats all. Lets adjust CoH2 the way Hans wants it and screw every other new streamer
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hubewa
21 Jul 2013, 14:20 PM
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coh2.org does this already. Why would you need most popular views...

Randomising would be better.
Had fun doing this earlier
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IpKaiFung
21 Jul 2013, 14:20 PM
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I'd prefer a bigger list rather than just the three that we have at the moment.
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HelpingHans
21 Jul 2013, 14:34 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jul 2013, 14:13 PMPaRaNo1a
Hans just wants more viewers, thats all. Lets adjust CoH2 the way Hans wants it and screw every other new streamer


You honestly think that I would screw over new streamers? How dare you say that. For your information I always promote new streamers on my stream thank you very much.

jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jul 2013, 14:11 PMCyridius
The argument could be made that randomizing it helps newer twitch streamers gain viewers.


jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jul 2013, 14:20 PMhubewa
coh2.org does this already. Why would you need most popular views...

Randomising would be better.



Unfortunately newer twitch streamers do not have the experience that is needed to know how to be successful in streaming and have a small number of followers and there is no incentive for people to stay and watch. As a result they hardly get any viewers. So this benefits no-one. By letting more popular streamers take the stand, newer players would be more likely to stay, watch and get involved with he community as they can see that these guys are well-established by the number of viewers, followers and professional overlays who know what they are doing.

So please explain to me how randomizing would be better.

jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jul 2013, 14:20 PMIpKaiFung
I'd prefer a bigger list rather than just the three that we have at the moment.


I think a list would definitely be better than what we have currently. Either way the twitch section needs improving.
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Qvazar
21 Jul 2013, 14:48 PM
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They should just add a link to http://www.coh2.org/livestreams :D
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HelpingHans
21 Jul 2013, 14:55 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jul 2013, 14:48 PMQvazar
They should just add a link to http://www.coh2.org/livestreams :D


That could work ^.^
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Krozzfyre
21 Jul 2013, 15:38 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jul 2013, 14:34 PMHelpingHans


You honestly think that I would screw over new streamers? How dare you say that. For your information I always promote new streamers on my stream thank you very much.


Vouched. Hans has been very generous with his time, much more so than any of the other streamers out there. Considering the amount of time he streams himself and still takes time out to help others is more than impressive, it's admirable.
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Cyridius
21 Jul 2013, 15:52 PM
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The reason I'd argue randomizing is better is that when people look at streams and see 3 guys with 100+ each and then a dozen or so trailing with 5 or 6 people, there might as well just be the three guys.

If you do it that the top streamers get listed, you're suppressing newer streamers. You already have a viewer base from previous games. If your stream is good and well promoted, it will grow naturally once you hit the 100+ regular viewer threshold.

Your argument is that new guys don't have experience so just give you + other streamers the viwers. That makes no sense. One would think that you let streams grow or fall on their own merits as opposed to who has the most "experience".

So, instead of facilitating monopolization, I would rather it be randomized.

Regardless, that Twitch menu needs added functionality anyways. It isn't informative, and it should be filterable.
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TychoCelchuuu
21 Jul 2013, 16:09 PM
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The main menu, like pretty much every piece of UI in this game, is pretty much just terrible. It wastes about 2/3rds of the space, and that's only if you're being generous and you count some of the huge pictures as "useful" space rather than wasted space. If it were redesigned, it could fit way more twitch streamers and then we wouldn't have to fight about whether it should only show Hans and pl3xy or whether other people could be on the list too.

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PaRaNo1a
21 Jul 2013, 16:11 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jul 2013, 15:52 PMCyridius
The reason I'd argue randomizing is better is that when people look at streams and see 3 guys with 100+ each and then a dozen or so trailing with 5 or 6 people, there might as well just be the three guys.

If you do it that the top streamers get listed, you're suppressing newer streamers. You already have a viewer base from previous games. If your stream is good and well promoted, it will grow naturally once you hit the 100+ regular viewer threshold.

Your argument is that new guys don't have experience so just give you + other streamers the viwers. That makes no sense. One would think that you let streams grow or fall on their own merits as opposed to who has the most "experience".

So, instead of facilitating monopolization, I would rather it be randomized.

Regardless, that Twitch menu needs added functionality anyways. It isn't informative, and it should be filterable.


Agree on that. If you want the game to succeed as a whole you need more streamers with an average amount of viewers than just 3 uys sitting on 150 + and the rest at 5-10 viewers.
This is why Hans your idea looks selfish.
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HelpingHans
21 Jul 2013, 16:48 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jul 2013, 16:11 PMPaRaNo1a


Agree on that. If you want the game to succeed as a whole you need more streamers with an average amount of viewers than just 3 uys sitting on 150 + and the rest at 5-10 viewers.
This is why Hans your idea looks selfish.


It is not intended to be a selfish idea. It makes more sense then having random new streamers in the main page. If I were a gaming company and I wanted to promote my game in the best possible way you would look to the die-hard community guys that are already well-established and are professional rather than those who are not and new to the scene. I know it may seem unfair at first but if you want a community to grow fast this is a good way of doing so. Anyway I personally go and promote other streamers when I have the time to do so. People are much more likely to go to a stream that I have suggested rather than them finding it on there own.
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mariens
21 Jul 2013, 17:37 PM
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i wanna see strategy specialist everywhere pls
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boc120
21 Jul 2013, 19:37 PM
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I support a size-increased twitch panel. I also support Hans's proposal. Perhaps it would always show the top 3 by viewers, but then perhaps it could have a further 5 or so random streams as a nice compromise?
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Dmeets
21 Jul 2013, 20:37 PM
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This is a good idea.
There's just not enough space for more than 3-5 channels, and of course it should be organized by the number of viewers - some are more popular for a reason
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muzec
21 Jul 2013, 22:42 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Jul 2013, 14:13 PMPaRaNo1a
Hans just wants more viewers, thats all. Lets adjust CoH2 the way Hans wants it and screw every other new streamer


I agree haha, we need to fix the ui where hans stream is always at the top, whether he is online of offline! otherwise, the game is broken.
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m3rc3n4ry
21 Jul 2013, 23:10 PM
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I really wonder if anyone would even make a big deal of this if Hans wasn't the one to suggest it, instead of just having a nejerk reaction in opposition, or applying the "rich banker" or fairness/equality mentality.

If the goal is to promote the GAME, then popular streams should probably get precedence.
If the goal is to support NEW STREAMERS, then the streams starting with 0 viewers should get precedence.

I'm pretty sure I could guess what relic's goal in having the list up there is. Since streamers with more viewers have them for good reasons (most of the time), who do you think will be a better promotional tool for the game and growing the community?

It wouldn't hurt to have a link below the short list for "more streams" either.

This is not the only game to do things this way with live streams, and it's a smart idea.
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TychoCelchuuu
21 Jul 2013, 23:41 PM
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In terms of promoting the game, I don't think inside the game's menu is a great place to do it. The only people who will see that are people who already own the game...

Hans is right though that for new players learning the game, more popular streamers are typically better, because they have their shit together, compared to some random ass person who just turns the twitch button to "on" whenever the play.

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m3rc3n4ry
22 Jul 2013, 00:27 AM
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Yea, but people who play casually who want to get more into the game, get better, or just more involved or whatever can use these streams to do so. This helps develop the community and make it stronger and better overall. These players may go on to recommend the game to their friends as well, or tell friends to watch so and so's stream. etc. etc.

This isn't all too dissimilar from how I went from super casual in vcoh to playing more regularly myself. It may not promote the game in a way of a direct sale, it's just in more indirect ways.
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