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Need Help With Soviets

5 Jul 2016, 23:11 PM
#1
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Hi Everyone

I have recently decided to start playing Soviets in 1v1 (Was gonna do Wehrmacht aswell but the USF Mortar)

Now I found myself often lost by the midgame not knowing what to do or what to build, as USF or OKW I always know what I want to build and when, why etc.

I know that I lost some of my squads in pretty silly ways, I forgot about my Conscripts capping, Forget to eject Maxim sooner and forgot about taking other Maxim out, picked Maxim back up with a 3 man squad ( I fought they had 4 men )

But what I really had trouble with is those Raketens, I dont have much experience fighting them and all my tanks I felt couldve been saved, I lost like 10 but I did not have a clue on what I have to do against Raketen spam as Soviets. I was scared to use my tanks but I really wanted to push my advantage

The Raketens sneaked up on my vehicle force and with a combination of mis-micro and confusion on my part I lost 2 tanks

I planned on diving in for that Stuka you can at one point see me taking my tanks near to one of his base entrances but the Raketens stopped that and the Panther Surprised me and took out a tank

I kinda wish I went Shock Rifle for Incendiary later on but I really wanted T34/85s

So all in all, what could I do vs Raketens as Soviets, what else could I have done to push my advantage as I did control more of the map in many periods of the match and had wiped more squads


6 Jul 2016, 08:07 AM
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6 Jul 2016, 08:14 AM
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I'm on it

Thank you Sturmpanther
6 Jul 2016, 08:19 AM
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If I were you, I'd have probably skipped on getting tanks, and instead spent them on TDs and katyushas. Penals and guards would be enough to defeat his infantry, seeing as he's spamming raketens.
6 Jul 2016, 08:26 AM
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If I were you, I'd have probably skipped on getting tanks, and instead spent them on TDs and katyushas. Penals and guards would be enough to defeat his infantry, seeing as he's spamming raketens.

I just love them T34/85s although I guess I was getting Tunnel Vision at the end

Katushya wouldve been useful in hindsight although I didnt need the Tank Destroyer seeing as he only had a Command Panther and I had Mark Target, Guards and my Own Raketen so a T34/85 wouldve better Supplemented this as it could kill inf aswell
6 Jul 2016, 09:02 AM
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Thank you Sturmpanther



1)After your first Attack you retreaded both cons. The 6man squad was unnecessary. You could „hurraah“ away to your next cons. Means that you would have still 2 cons at the front for pressure.

2)Around min 4.30 1 Volks is capping right fuel, Vp. You have close to him 1 cons capping in the north and right middle 1 Pio. With this both units you could attack him and save right side.

3)Nice Timing with your t70!

4)After you planned on the right VP a demo, you forgot, that the Pio walk away from it. So the Pio did not finished his cap.

5)Why you get a garde instead of 120mm mortar? He is camping with rakten and mgs.

6)Your first t34/85 was a miss call. Definitely you needed a Katushya.

7)You can decide if you want to get indircet fire from 120mm mortar, who comes faster and can work more, or get katushya, who is saver vs Stuka. But on of them you need vs this playstyle.

8)When i watched the replay i thought something and after 45 min you did it all the time (Like build T2 with 2 pio, plant demo, get a pak/ su76)

9)About the su76 call. You could go for a pak instead of aswell. Reason: Raktenwerfer/ Puma can’t kill you. And you had enough Muni to use the pakbarrage, which deals more damage and has more accuracy

All in all you played not bad man! But have to say your enemie was 770 and less experienced. He played a very passiv OKW style. He could rush with 1 Kübel to your side, vs your Pio, who was all the time alone and capped everything


If you get 120mm Mortar and Stuka hits you, don't forget to repair the mortar!!!!!

Hope I could helped you :)
6 Jul 2016, 09:23 AM
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Thanks, Im not that good with Allies in General cause I prefer Specialised playstyle of the Axis over the Versatile Allies, I was mostly doing what was done to me when I played OKW but the thing is as OKW Im never campy so I never saw what a Soviet player did vs Campy OKW players

I did feel I was lucky I got a passive opponent, I was wondering why he rarely pushed out of his base on the otherside of the map or take territory when my T70 and T34/85 were stupidly lost

I also thought he only had 2 Raketens and thats why I built a T34/85 as a Shock unit

I think you can tell that after my T70 I start "breaking" in the game and make silly moves :oops:

So to Recap
- Rely on a Zis gun/Non-Vehicle Anti-tank units if my Opponent gets alot of Raketens
- Build some form of Indirect-fire unit vs Raketen/team-weapon Spam
- Dont ignore lonely squads capping on my side and respond with force

Also I didnt understand what you meant in tip 8.
6 Jul 2016, 09:55 AM
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So to Recap
- Rely on a Zis gun/Non-Vehicle Anti-tank units if my Opponent gets alot of Raketens
- Build some form of Indirect-fire unit vs Raketen/team-weapon Spam
- Dont ignore lonely squads capping on my side and respond with force

Also I didnt understand what you meant in tip 8.



Exactly.

About point 8 ; I mean that you took the right decision. Just that i took them ca. 45 sec ealier all the time then you :) Never had this in other replays Reviews, that the guy made all my thought 45 sec later^^
But thats fine. I mean I was looking in the replay and chilling. You had to fight :)




6 Jul 2016, 12:28 PM
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Try commander with Recon Plane ability. It should help to spot those cloaked raketens.
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